sir douglas Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Can anyone spot the elephant in the station? Is Boris hiding somewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 It just looks like they've bought a brand new R-T-R buffer stop, and not got around to weathering it yet! Maybe the shop was out of factory weathered examples! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 And I thought they were waiting on me doing some NER/LNER types. LOL Pity they didn't go for a refurbed original hydraulic type, probably doesn't conform to modern standards now but it would have blended in nicely. Dave Franks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo6791 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 A selection of photos for your enjoyment, taken yesterday morning. These are opposite the far end of the engine shed, on the light it said point selector. Written on the levers were (from what I can remember, the camera didn't pick up the names that well) 1. Facing point lock, points 3 and 4 2. Token Release, single line area 3. Crossover point, single line end 4. Crossover point, platform end 5, 6 and 8 don't remember what was on them one of them might have said bog hall?? and 7 didn't have anything on it. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 More great shots - thanks for taking the trouble to take & post them. It's really coming along now; looking forward to seeing it in action Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted June 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2014 Looks like I'll have try and make a detour to the NYMR when we are in York for the Tour de France especially as Mrs G has booked something else for Diesel gala weekend! Thanks for posting the photos great stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Seeing that lever frame has made we wonder, does any company in the UK still make them or would they have been recycled from another location? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo6791 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I can't answer your question, but when I was there on Saturday, the levers looked original as they had that old pitted and cast look about them but the rest of it look reasonably new, but that's my own opinion, I'm no expert...:-) I read somewhere it was being delivered from York, I don't know if that's significant. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Seeing that lever frame has made we wonder, does any company in the UK still make them or would they have been recycled from another location? These ground frames are recycled. So many have been recovered now there is little point in making new. If it was specified for a particular job a new ground frame could be made. All the drawings are available in the Network Rail database. Collis or Rowlscourt could potentially still make one. I hold a couple of patterns and i have recently had new quadrants cast for the current style ground frame. I have made a nearly new frame for a level crossing job on a heritage line. Only the pivot castings, pivot bar and frame uprights are original. The locking trays and levers are from a RSCo frame that saw little use. Everything else is new. Edit to add.. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/14280-seasonal-scale-change/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo6791 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Hi Three weeks since my last post and a lot has been done, it makes the feel of whitby station so much better!! But its one hell of a long platform, I dont know the exact length but it must be getting on for 210m. heres some photos Additions to the Ground Frame and this time I can read whats on them (on the originals, these have been reduced in size by photobucket) 1. Facing point lock, points 3 and 42. Token Release, single line area3. Crossover points, single line end (single line platform 2)4. Crossover points, platform end (Platform 2 Siding)5. Release Lever, Releases Run Around Ground Frame 6. Facing Points (platform 2 run around) 7. Realease, Shunt Area, Siding Trap, Derailer, Derail, Shunt 8. Facing Point Lock, Point number 6 Top section of Ground Frame was an interesting read with exact operating instruction (unfortuanately phone camera is not good enough to read it). Platform has come on I found the connection between old and new a little humpy..LOL, I hope they take it out...they have also removed part of the tarmac to reveal the original surface Both Buffers have gained red lamps Theres a panarama view here http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o231/3DImages/Whitby/20140705_103407.jpg~original Thats about it, oh and those with sharp eyes will also notice they have built up the brick columns on the rear co-op wall Stevo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 some great reference details..and interresting to know where NYMR acquires its kit from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Top section of Ground Frame was an interesting read with exact operating instruction (unfortuanately phone camera is not good enough to read it). It wasn't attached when this picture was taken simply placed for my benefit. There may be some changes yet i wasn't happy with a few things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 5, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 5, 2014 It wasn't attached when this picture was taken simply placed for my benefit. There may be some changes yet i wasn't happy with a few things. DSC06827a.jpg Definitely some sloppy wording on there - saying 'Before Departure' could easily be taken to mean 'before departure of a train' - I presume it means 'before closing the frame'? I can't see the wording at the right hand end very clearly but do hope it's somewhat better thought out. Hopefully the Tester will pick up the error(s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Definitely some sloppy wording on there - saying 'Before Departure' could easily be taken to mean 'before departure of a train' - I presume it means 'before closing the frame'? I can't see the wording at the right hand end very clearly but do hope it's somewhat better thought out. Hopefully the Tester will pick up the error(s). My picture was taken before the one posted earlier. The new notice may be better worded. I will be there again during the week i'll see if there is an improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Many, many thanks for the updates, LNERGE & Stevo. It's all really coming together now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted July 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2014 The ex-Falsgrave gantry at Grosmont has now been commissioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Definitely some sloppy wording on there - saying 'Before Departure' could easily be taken to mean 'before departure of a train' - I presume it means 'before closing the frame'? I can't see the wording at the right hand end very clearly but do hope it's somewhat better thought out. Hopefully the Tester will pick up the error(s). That wording is what Network Rails contractors have installed based on the requirements of the company who came up with the design for the signalling side (subcontracted to India allegedly, but that could just be gossip), the actual operating instructions for the frame have been compiled by an ex senior member of the RSSB and are very clear and extremely comprehensive running to several pages and should enable any trained person with even a quarter of a brain to operate the frame safely. There is a chance of some trains using the platform for training purposes in the next 3 weeks or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2014 That wording is what Network Rails contractors have installed based on the requirements of the company who came up with the design for the signalling side (subcontracted to India allegedly, but that could just be gossip), the actual operating instructions for the frame have been compiled by an ex senior member of the RSSB and are very clear and extremely comprehensive running to several pages and should enable any trained person with even a quarter of a brain to operate the frame safely. There is a chance of some trains using the platform for training purposes in the next 3 weeks or so. Thanks for the info Boris - still doesn't make the wording error that I could see any better I'm afraid and we can but hope that either it isn't the final version or the Tester picks it up - or maybe trains are going to depart via the sidings? (although somehow I think not). The RSSB man's stuff sounds alright by your account - which is a lot more than can be said for some of the ambiguity they have at times injected into the Rule Book. Simple set of Instructions yes - the normal position of the ground frame is (for each one) with the levers standing in their normal position, this allows such & such movements; the ground frame has to be released by X in order to set the route from-to, or in the opposite direction and this is done by the following sequence of lever movements, when a train has arrived in so & so position the ground frame must be reset to its normal position by the following sequence of lever movements (for each ground frame). That's the train notes - used for briefing in. Actual operational Instructions should be fairly short, clear and concise as folk need to remember them without having to consult notes. Staff/volunteers are then trained, signed off as qualified on successful examination, personal records noted accordingly, job done - and all SMS compliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissRailPassion Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 There seems to be a good walk from the points indicator to the GF. Trains will have to stop and wait while the GF operator walks down to the GF and secures release. Then the indicator will display 2 and train will move forwards into the station. On the way out the GF operator closes the frame after departure and then walks all the way along to the train and then all the way to the driver 8 carriages away. This procedure seems very cumbersome. The new platform is not wide and hundreds travel in season, many wanting to pause at the loco on arrival in a restricted space. Perhaps in the near future a significant grant could enable a part time signal box in Whitby to provide covered accommodation and easier movements. Occupation time of the single line will be extended by 10 minutes per return journey under the new arrangements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 There seems to be a good walk from the points indicator to the GF. Trains will have to stop and wait while the GF operator walks down to the GF and secures release. Then the indicator will display 2 and train will move forwards into the station. On the way out the GF operator closes the frame after departure and then walks all the way along to the train and then all the way to the driver 8 carriages away. This procedure seems very cumbersome. The new platform is not wide and hundreds travel in season, many wanting to pause at the loco on arrival in a restricted space. Perhaps in the near future a significant grant could enable a part time signal box in Whitby to provide covered accommodation and easier movements. Occupation time of the single line will be extended by 10 minutes per return journey under the new arrangements. You're right, but you gets what you pays for, unfortunately this was the only way we could do it within the limits of the funds available, it's still £1.3m that has had to be found from funds, grants etc. I doubt we'd get a part time signaller at Whitby purely because of the costs involved, which the NYMR would have to meet, I'm also not totally convinced Network Rail would allow a signaller to be employed by a private operator so I think for the time being it's the best of a bad job. You're right about the platform width and we've had to supply NR with a system of work for crowd control including staffing and temporary barriers. I have to be honest with some of the tight turnarounds people won't get a chance to pause by the loco because it is unlikely to hang around long enough for them to take a photo. At best they'll be able to see it in the headshunt whilst the north frame is moved over but that will be about it I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The new token machine was introduced into the Whitby - Glaisdale circuit last night and tested successfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidmouth4me Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Latest update from the NYMR website http://www.nymr.co.uk/2014/07/civil-engineering-diary-part-8/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2014 Latest update from the NYMR website http://www.nymr.co.uk/2014/07/civil-engineering-diary-part-8/ Interesting that they are using their own people for S&T testing - hope they had nothing to do with the design and installation (although most qualified S&T Test Engineers I know would make sure they didn't). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Interesting that they are using their own people for S&T testing - hope they had nothing to do with the design and installation (although most qualified S&T Test Engineers I know would make sure they didn't). All the necessary separation is there. Design is by Seimens, installation by Centregrate Rail and testing by an independent firm of specialist testers <G> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2014 All the necessary separation is there. Design is by Seimens, installation by Centregrate Rail and testing by an independent firm of specialist testers <G> At Whitby yes (wonder who the tester is ... ) but I was referring to the work at Grosmont, sorry I didn't make that clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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