thecheesemiester Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I recently bought a Hornby schools class on ebay. When i was testing it one of the connecting rods jammes, and the motor carried on going. This damaged the gear which is attached to the wheelset (the one which drives the loco). The gear is slightly loose and slides from side to side on the axle slightly now. This means that the loco just makes a grinding noise and the wheels done move. Also you can now roll it along and the wheels are free rolling. Whenever i slot ithe gear back into place it wont stay in place. What should I do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted May 4, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2014 Did the seller say it was in working order? If he did, then ask for a full refund based on the fact that it's not as described. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Sounds like you've got a gear wheel loose on the axle. Can we see a photo of the mess you've got? It would make things a bit clearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Ok. The gear just fixed itself randomly, bot now the wheel it was on wont go back into its place... Thanks for the help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Here are some photos of the wheels. Sorry about the quality,these were taken on my old ipad. I hope this shows how the wheels wont sit flat. Edit:i have just noticed that there is a little slightly yellow thing under/on the wheels bearing. Is that meant to be there? In the picture it is the small yellow square at the back of the picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 That might actually be the bearing itself. Hope you haven't dislodged it..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 well the wheel went back into place, and as soon as it meshed with the other gear, the gear broke again, and did this several times. after spending 4/5 hours trying to fis one problem only for the original problem to spring up again, i have to decided to give up in the loco, and try and source a replacement wheelset, underframe of entire loco. thanks for the help anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Hornby should have the wheel set in stock. They sent me one free of charge when mine, on its second circuit of the layout promptly threw a crank pin, jammed the rods and sheared off a rod end. The sent me cylinders, wheels, and a full set of valve gear plus a handful of crankpins. Get in touch with them and see if they can help. If you get a negative response then let me know and I'll attempt to dig them out for you. (They're most likely buried deep in a storage box somewhere) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Hornby should have the wheel set in stock. They sent me one free of charge when mine, on its second circuit of the layout promptly threw a crank pin, jammed the rods and sheared off a rod end. The sent me cylinders, wheels, and a full set of valve gear plus a handful of crankpins. Get in touch with them and see if they can help. If you get a negative response then let me know and I'll attempt to dig them out for you. (They're most likely buried deep in a storage box somewhere) Hi cheesemiester . Have a look at the Hornby Service Sheets . http://www.Hornby.com/downloads/service-sheets/Hornby-service-sheets-301-351/?page=3 file:///C:/Users/Frank/Downloads/hss-330c-schools-class-locomotive-471(1)%20(1).pdf Driving wheel sets and gear axles are available. But, I agree with RFS.... If it were me, ...I'd return it to the seller. Either way,....returning, repairing yourself, or via Hornby, local dealer repair....it's hassle / grief,....I do sympathise. All the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 It sort of shows to me why quite a few of these new generation "Schools" have ended up as eBay wrecks (he said, having picked up the bodies of four in varying states of wreckage!) - they are a good product, but are as delicate as a kit-built engine - put them in the wrong hands and it's "goodnight Vienna". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_man Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 It sort of shows to me why quite a few of these new generation "Schools" have ended up as eBay wrecks (he said, having picked up the bodies of four in varying states of wreckage!) - they are a good product, but are as delicate as a kit-built engine - put them in the wrong hands and it's "goodnight Vienna". I agree - this is probably one of the most delicate RTR locos I have ever worked on. Many very fine deatails and some extremely thin mazak footplate sections... The Canada Post did a number on one of ours which I now use for spares. I probably have the wheelsets and gears if you cannot find one locally, but unfortunately the postage will not be cheap from Canada. Steve Model Railway Imports Canada Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 some extremely thin mazak footplate sections. thanks everyone for the help. ill try getting spares from Hornby. as if nothing else could go wrong, yesterday the footplate came loose on the left hand side and is not going back into place. the problem is that i cant return it to the seller as i have fiddled with it and i dont think it had the broken gear when it arrived, ar the connecting rods jammed and then the gear came loose because of the strain it was under. this has got to be the most delicate loco i own. as soon as you think you have fixed one problem, another springs up. its almost like it is cursed or something! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Hornby's Chinese business model means that they will not supply bodies or parts of bodies, and even the core chassis blocks are unavailable. For these bits, it's eBay, friends, friends of friends, or nowt. Only the consumables, some detail bits, wheels, valve gear and tender footplate/outer frames can be bought separately. This helps Hornby to cut down / save money on stocking spares. It's quite a change from their old Margate days when *everything* was available as a spare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 There are numerous bits on ebay including new spares Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 ok. ill look around on ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 It might be worthwhile giving Peter's Spares a call, quoting your model's 'R' number. http://www.petersspares.com/Hornby-x8537-schools-class-440-loco-driving-wheel-set.ir?cName=spares-Hornby-spares-all The 'X' number of this wheel-set doesn't tie in with the latest Hornby service sheets, including the Railroad version, although it does appear to be that of a loco drive version, i.e. fitted with traction tyres. The brass (yellow) bearings can be seen. I can't make out the gear from the photo, but I'm guessing it should be there. All the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 My main concern with buying a spare wheelset is that im not sure if i will be able to remove the old one and fit the spare one without damaging anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 My main concern with buying a spare wheelset is that im not sure if i will be able to remove the old one and fit the spare one without damaging anything. In this case then, I would suggest that you seek out your nearest Hornby agent* to wave his magic screwdriver over the poorly patient. *You don't state your location, so I'm assuming you're a UK resident ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 My main concern with buying a spare wheelset is that im not sure if i will be able to remove the old one and fit the spare one without damaging anything. Technically speaking, it's already sustained some damage so I don't think you've got anything to lose..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecheesemiester Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 I suppose. I am a uk resident, so where would i go to get it repaired? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 .... I am a uk resident, so where would i go to get it repaired? Are there any model shops stocking Hornby situated in your region? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartthegrant Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can see this is an old thread, but how did it finish Horsetan? I have a Schools with an electrical problem also sourced on Ebay. Did you send it back to Margate? Stuart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeper Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Again I know this is an old thread, but I wonder how you got on. It depends which years model you have, according to service sheet 330 alone there are half a dozen different model numbers some use the same parts but others have different part numbers so be careful and research it well before parting with money. I bought part of a schools chassis cheap on Ebay thinking I could obtain the spares to build a complete model, no way José! I now have 75% of the parts and have ground to a halt on it. With regard to the jammed valve gear if it's the left hand side then they seem to be as rare as hens teeth. I found East Kent Models had a very good stock of Hornby parts;again check it out before buying. I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune, hard won experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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