welsh wizard Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 i have tried to get hold of a model torque motor to re do a Lima 47 but it seems the business has closed down (Inter city models used to supply them) has anyone got any info on an alternative system? i know there is someone selling motors on e bay but not sure of the quality,also the Hornby railroad 47 looks as if it has the same pancake motor fitted as the Lima anybody done something different ?..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 There have been a few threads on RMWeb about Lima remotoring. You might be interested in this thread (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78418-susmotor-lima-remotoring/). I have remotored a few LIma pancakes with an equivalent to the Modeltorque and can post a photo showing how I get the new motor centrally located and fixed in the original Lima motor frame if you are interested? I also have a few of the motors in my spares drawer at home - all harvested from CD drives. If you want a complete remotoring kit, then I think you can still get them at http://www.diesel-trains.co.uk/shop.html. I have bought any motors from them myself, so am unable to comment on how they install and run. If you want a motor to try yourself, please PM me. Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh wizard Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Hello Simon thanks for the reply I will contact the above shop, just a bit wary as its not a model torque one, as I have heard good reports about the model torque makes ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 All the model torque motors were was a CD tray motor with mounting cradle and gear attached with a hefty profit margin slapped on top. The other ones suggested are just as good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviesparx Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Vi Trains also have / had a Lima 47 conversion - a complete chassis rather than just a replacement motor... Also, the Hornby 47 comes in two flavours - The original Ringfield motored chassis, but also the 'Limby' type. These use the old Lima body moulds, and a Lima compatable chassis with bogie mounted motor. The blue 'Dionysus' and RES livery 47's are two such 'Limby' examples Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2014 Hi All I was talking to Paul Wade today about Lima motors and we both cannot recall having to do major work on them. Which makes me think why do people need to remotor Lima locos? All that is needed is wheel and track cleaning and a good DC controller, no problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh wizard Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Yes I admit some Lima motors just need a clean and an oil but mine needs a power unit change either that or I put some wings on it and call it Tornado (as in the aircraft)) I am loathe to get rid of it as its a bit of a "pet"...hence the re-motoring looks like vi trains /Hornby might be the way to go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 All the model torque motors were was a CD tray motor with mounting cradle and gear attached with a hefty profit margin slapped on top. The other ones suggested are just as good Correct! All mine have come from CD tray motors. Hi All I was talking to Paul Wade today about Lima motors and we both cannot recall having to do major work on them. Which makes me think why do people need to remotor Lima locos? All that is needed is wheel and track cleaning and a good DC controller, no problem. My experience, using a variety of good DC controllers, is that the slow speed control of Lima motors isn't particularly good. I have definitely improved this aspect with the CD motors. In other respects, Lima motors pull well and are very reliable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I've got a DCC sound Lima 47 (heavily detailed ad resprayed) and it runs better than my Bachmann one! Original Lima pancake too! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted May 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2014 Hello Simon thanks for the reply I will contact the above shop, just a bit wary as its not a model torque one, as I have heard good reports about the model torque makes ... Wish all you like, but the Model Torque ones are not available anymore, as the maker is no longer with us. He died around 3 years ago, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 The trick is to find a narrow CD tray motor, the wide ones are ok for BoBo types and probably for the 08, 4575 and 94XX as well but they foul the unpowered wheels of the 37/47 chassis. The white scalextric pinions fit and the motor jut needs a strap to hold it in place. You will need a resistor as I run these on 3 volts 2X AA cells in the garden Pics of 2 of my garden 37s below showing motor straps Note one motor has been filed away for clearance for the centre wheel. The Lima motor is pretty awful, I burned out several commutators which are just discs of PCB.and the brush springs collapse and they are pretty uncontrollable compared to Bachmann etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted May 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2014 The Lima motor is pretty awful, I burned out several commutators which are just discs of PCB.and the brush springs collapse and they are pretty uncontrollable compared to Bachmann etc. How did you manage to kill Lima motors, I've never managed it! I agree not really manageable, unless you put 2 power bogies in, then wire in series. But Bachmann a much better option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Slogging up about 30 yards of 1 in 14 gradients with 6 coaches at a scale 30 mph is probably the cause but I have lots of burned commutators and collapsed brush springs in my scrap box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The only lima motor I killed was my first, a lima Deltic. It was the first loco I saved up my pocket money for and bought new in 1979. That had commutator problems, although in this case it was due to extreme wear due to being my favourite high speed express loco. It took about ten years to achieve, the comutator had worn most at the gaps, spreading until it was effectively turning in to a mechanical PWM and eventually it just ran too slowly to be worthy of express use, so I suppose even then it was not completely dead! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
design8027 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 On the subject of the CD player motors, can anyone recall their maker and/or part numbers? Would love to remotor one or 2 of my Lima 47s to bring them up modernish standards. Won't say whether Bachmann or Heljan are better, both have their good and bad points. Any help would be great. Regards, Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 There are quite a variety of CD motors, so I have photo'd some of mine. I haven't actually tried to compare them at all, but I do run them to see that they do run smoothly before I install them into a loco. Sometimes a tiny drop of oil is required where the shaft enters the 'can'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettTheThief Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 How did you manage to kill Lima motors, I've never managed it! I agree not really manageable, unless you put 2 power bogies in, then wire in series. But Bachmann a much better option. Is it possible to install two motorised bogies in a locomotive safely? Or is a CD drive motor powerful enough to haul eight coaches and a weighted power car on a level incline if you don't need to reach top speed quickly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Is it possible to install two motorised bogies in a locomotive safely? Or is a CD drive motor powerful enough to haul eight coaches and a weighted power car on a level incline if you don't need to reach top speed quickly? I have been considering putting two CD motors into a single loco, but havent tried it yet. When I have put a single one into a Lima Class 26 chassis, and replaced the steel weight with >200 grams of lead, it easily pulls a seven coach rake, and guess that eight coaches wouldnt be a problem. I would note that the coaches are relatively new Bachmann ones, and are very free running compared to my old Triang ones. I might try a rake of those sometime which would be a much greater challenge than the Bachmann ones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81E Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 My 94XX with replacement motor pulls 14 wagons around a steeply graded layout. I will however need to fit a resistor to slow it down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81E Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 For those looking for motor kits I obtained the one for my 94XX from https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lima-00-Class-08-09-31-37-40-47-52-59-60-66-92-Steam-Quiet-Motor-Replacement-Kit/113338145593?hash=item1a637adb39:g:KaAAAOSw4DJaZ5XG:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true and I have produced a 3d printed mounting ring for my 94XX which takes the fiddly bit out of trying to mount the motor centrally. THis is available at https://www.shapeways.com/product/MZ9XRHSGD/motor-mounting-ring-lima?optionId=70144903 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM47079 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 That's a great idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF96 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I am a cheapskate. I used a 10mm long slice of cardboard tube for my cd motor mount, just glued in place. The tubes are about 30cm long, ex Lidl grocery counter, that their plastic bags come on. Also the right diameter for some round speaker enclosures. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I am a cheapskate. I used a 10mm long slice of cardboard tube for my cd motor mount, just glued in place. The tubes are about 30cm long, ex Lidl grocery counter, that their plastic bags come on. Also the right diameter for some round speaker enclosures. Rob You're not a cheapskate. I don't actually use anything to mount the motor except a bit of plastic across the Lima Fixing screws with a hole to take the bulge in the back of the CD motor/ see post # 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2018 For those looking for motor kits I obtained the one for my 94XX from https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lima-00-Class-08-09-31-37-40-47-52-59-60-66-92-Steam-Quiet-Motor-Replacement-Kit/113338145593?hash=item1a637adb39:g:KaAAAOSw4DJaZ5XG:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true and I have produced a 3d printed mounting ring for my 94XX which takes the fiddly bit out of trying to mount the motor centrally. THis is available at https://www.shapeways.com/product/MZ9XRHSGD/motor-mounting-ring-lima?optionId=70144903 I recently used one of these to remotor a 94xx with the slightly slimmer than normal motor, worked like a charm! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Following as I'm hoping to re-power a Lima 117 DMU power bogie using this method at some point, thanks for the links folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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