Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Think that pretty much confirms it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Think you're right Peter. Fun game this..! Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 807 Caradoc is my favorite Warship & my earliest Hydraulic memory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Unless someone has spotting notes from NA hidden away, I think, with some confidence, we can say that the three Warships are 856, D807 and either D845, D852 or D854. We can discount D833 due to roof details. Think that's our best shot Neil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 Agreed - and the period surely has to be between May and September - summer timetable - due to the motorails presence The Stirling - Newton Abbot ran alternate days IIRC with two rakes - one of flats, alternate days the Newton-Chambers double deckers we have here Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Something makes me think it's not D845 - it looks too dirty. So maybe we're down to just two..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Think that's enough Warship for one day. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) That's a shame, because (and this is a long, long shot) I have just found that D856 did work 1V72 the 0733 Liverpool to Paignton forward from Temple Meads on Saturday 23rd August 1969. It then worked the empty stock to NA and was stabled on the depot. Edited; to say, furthermore - D807 worked 1V68 from Bristol that day, which was the 0830 Nottingham to Paignton, so would most likely have been at NA as well later in the day. D845 is unlikely (if this madness is correct) because it worked the 1135 Kingswear to Paddington throughout, so probably spent the night at Old Oak Common. D852 was in store at NA at that time. Edited February 7, 2015 by jonny777 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Well blow me down! Not madness at all. If it is D852, and I'm minded to think it is, then D807 would've stabled first next to it, followed by 856 later at the end. Well done Jonny! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 What's spooky is that my picture of D815 (above) was taken a week later on 30th August..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 My research was much assisted by a few snippets of Warship workings sent to me many years ago by Martin Street when I was trying to discover what event had caused the chaos at Newton Abbot on that day. I was only travelling from Paignton to Exeter, but from the working details of the locos I saw at that station during the 40-odd minutes we were stopped there, showed that up services were running well over an hour late. I never did discover the cause, but credit must go to Martin and Mark Alden for the original info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 What's spooky is that my picture of D815 (above) was taken a week later on 30th August..... Were you on Exeter station during that month, Peter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Sorry, but no. The weather on 23rd August was sunny with a blue sky - it all fits together..... Wonder what the D10XX on 1C6? was. Edited February 7, 2015 by Peter Kazmierczak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 Absolutely Neil! 856 distinctive as OH flash in front of not behind drivers door and low position of data panelIs on our list to do when those Bacchy 43s arrive - could I use this as our master shot please?PhilOf course Phil ! Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 That's amazing - and all fits together! The only potential fly in the ointment is storage records are a mare - for example D6331 is listed as stored from 1969 when it was working off 85B and acquired a FYE - but I suspect that holes in the Warship records are much less likely Cheers Phil Of course Phil ! Neil Many thanks Neil Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 Agreed an amazing piece of detective work. Phil if you PM me your email I'll send a high resolution TIF file of 856. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Did someone mention D6331 at Worcester? 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 Peter how stupid of me - I had seen the shot in a modelling book but hadn't connected your name! Was that 20th June 1970 perchance? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Unless someone has spotting notes from NA hidden away, I think, with some confidence, we can say that the three Warships are 856, D807 and either D845, D852 or D854. We can discount D833 due to roof details. Think that's our best shot Neil. Be careful about roof details - not all Class 43s were the same - note absence of prominent raised roof fan grilles: 833_Reading_7-8-71_m by robertcwp, on Flickr IIRC of Class 42, 832 (preserved), 866 and 867 had the raised grilles. Edited February 7, 2015 by robertcwp 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 That's amazing - and all fits together! The only potential fly in the ointment is storage records are a mare - for example D6331 is listed as stored from 1969 when it was working off 85B and acquired a FYE - but I suspect that holes in the Warship records are much less likely Well, looking at my spotting notes from the two weeks that I was down there while my parents were on holiday in Paignton, I saw D852 half a dozen times and every time was at Newton Abbot - not anywhere else. This suggests it was indeed parked somewhere on the depot. The other times it may have been obscured by locos in front of it as I passed by on the train, or I just became fed up with writing it down every day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) As well as 833, 861 also had Swindon style roof grilles. 834 had once if each for a while too. I think only these were the only NBL machines with them, although I'd be keen to hear of any others. Very impressed by the CSI (Newton Abbot division) investigation. Anyone want to wager what time the photo was taken by the shadows? Pix Edited February 7, 2015 by Pixie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Thanks Robert - that's why 833 was dismissed as an option, the loco in question clearly has raised NBL pattern fan grilles She plainly liked posing - here she is at Worcester http://www.miac.org.uk/class42.html#brd833 And following on from Pixie's post theres the other criminal - D861 - on the same page Cheers Phil Edited February 7, 2015 by Phil Bullock 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 ...and the prototype Mk.2! That page keeps giving and giving. Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Think it was the only green Warship to have the D prefix painted over too. As Robert rightly says above, the roof-grill skirts are something of a minefield. A few had one of each type. But basically most of the Class 43s had the raised grill, though D833 didn't. Hence why I knew it wasn't the one in the picture with 856 et al. Phil, it must've been in the school holidays as I was on a Midlands Runabout rover ticket. Possibly August 1970. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 And Robert has shots of the roof grilles of the first D800s which lacks the walkways - they look very strange without them. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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