ScRSG Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Rails are offering a DCC fitted "Mallard" for £64.50, now, while this is a Railroad item, I have often wondered whether the A4, in particular, is the same body moulding and chassis as the main range item (which is about double the price), lacking only the detail pack. Can anyone enlighten me on any differences? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 6, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2015 As far as I know, it's the same body and chassis, but with no cab glazing or painted cab interior, and the old tender. Don't quote me on that, but I'm 90% positive that is the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCuckoo Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Don't quote me on that, Sorry. Just had to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 6, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2015 Touché lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee74clarke Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I think it's main chassis with 'chunkier' valve gear, body from tender drive model, and tender body from tender drive model. They are not bad, but the difference next to main range model is obvious. On it's own though, I think they are not bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 The Loco body is i.d to the super detail other than no glazing, no cab handrails they are moulded , no cab roof vents, no cab backhead detail,no cab seats, no detail pack and overlarge valve gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 The railroad model is a different tooling to main range A4 which is a fantastic model. Hornby upgraded the A4 when they first went out to China and this is the railroad model which when fully finished is as good as Bachmann A4. The full spec A4 is a new tooling done later in China and the cost reflects the quality of these models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2015 Which of the railroad A4's uses the same body then? I can guarantee that the Magazine reviews said from a certain one, the Railroad a4 uses the same body as the full spec one. Was it after 60022 was released? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 There does seem some discussion arising on this matter with different opinions being expressed. Another query, has "Mallard" in green l/c ever been in the main range or has it only been done as a Railroad item? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2015 It hasn't been done with the new top spec A4's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2015 It hasn't been done with the new top spec A4's. Yes it has.I have one...E/C Brunswick green.I believe it was part of a specially commissioned train pack some years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Just to add further clarity. The Railroad tooling for the loco body is identical to the super-detail model, Minus lamp irons, glazing and molded handrails on cab. The valve gear is missing the finer valve gear, the lubricator and the speedo off the high detail model. With a bit of work I'm sure it could be improved to match the high detail version The Railroad tooling for the tender loco body is however the tooling from many years ago it's a very poor representation, of a corridor tender, bulky and overscale. The tender chassis is what was used in the old ringfield motor. A huge amount of work would be needed to make this tender a better model. The choices for the tender: 1, Trow it away 2. Huge amount of cutting and shutting 3. Get hold of the GBLM Flying Scotsman, or the Mallard and respray ans reline too match the Hornby BR green The tender lets the loco down very badly, the low detail P2 and DoG, are far better in this regard.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Look at photos here and you will see the differences. The railroad version is based on the same mould shape as already stated. i forgot the Cab Doors ,Fall plate and as David has said the lamp irons. http://locoyard.com/2012/07/19/Hornby-lner-a4-class-review/ There is wrong info thereon the Tender drive version is R2309 and not R2399 which is the high detail Mallard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I took my Railroad 60022 and obtained a super detail tender from Ebay. Bit of tweaking to the tender's wiring allowed it to work with the locos wiring loom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2015 There is wrong info thereon the Tender drive version is R2309 and not R2399 which is the high detail Mallard. R2309 is King George II BR 6028 in BR Early Blue as a ltd edition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 R2309 is King George II BR 6028 in BR Early Blue as a ltd edition. Try R2039 !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2015 Lol Its kinda confusing going backwards through the history lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 ...The tender lets the loco down very badly, the low detail P2 and DoG, are far better in this regard.. When Hornby first released the all-new loco drive A4 (applies to the A3 also) one of the first observations was that the tender was perhaps the biggest advance when it came to appearance. And it wasn't just a tender either, but the major tender variants. I was fairly blown away to find that they had bothered with the coach end profiled corridor type. (Perhaps I am too easily impressed?) The 'full fat' model is worth it for this aspect alone in my opinion; for sure more expensive, but you can easily see the benefit for the extra money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 in danger of repeating myself from other threads, but it is a pitty that when Bittern was fitted with a corridor tender, Mr Hosking and his team didn't consider replicating one of the 'missing' gresley tenders, namely the bow-ended Corridor Tender, complete with flat side sheets (i.e. no beading). This would have both reduced the visual impact relative to the non-corridor tender she spent her life with, and provided something unique. Unless the bow-ended tenders has a slightly lower water capacity? If so, the official stats don't indicate this (5000gal being quoted for all types). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I believe the Bow end version was done simply to match the Silver Jubilee Coaches end profile. Same water capacity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 I have a (unboxed) "Mallard" early crest BR green, which seems to me to be the full main catalogue version, all glazed, full detail painted cab, finer valve gear. Can anyone identify "R" number, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2015 Part of a special boxed set,released about 10 years ago.I have one too.Can't give you specific catalogue number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifitlooksright Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 So a certain Liverpool box shifter has Railroad Mallard at a very good dcc fitted price. Does anybody know if it has a nem coupler socket on the tender? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 So a certain Liverpool box shifter has Railroad Mallard at a very good dcc fitted price. Does anybody know if it has a nem coupler socket on the tender? I've just had a double check of mine, and the tender coupling is mounted in the almost standard removable pocket, like most of the new Hornby and Bachmann releases. Hope this helps Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I bought the railroad Mallard 60022 to have it transformed to PEREGRINE 4903 in war time black runs great ok no cab detail but dose the job I wanted it for. Plan of buying it again to re-name / number it BITTERN £ 83 ish and DCC fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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