GarrettTheThief Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I'm interested in modelling a Midland Railway 0-6-0T and I've noticed a few differences like the tank at the back. What are the major differences and are they easy to do on an LMS Jinty or are there too many differences? Has anyone else attempted this? Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relaxinghobby Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) I think the Jinty was much wider over the tanks and bunker? Funny enough the Hornby Thomas the Tank Engine body is about right if you raise the buffer beams and make the footplate level. Edited July 21, 2015 by relaxinghobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettTheThief Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 Thanks for your reply. I've had a look at the Thomas model and i see where you're coming from. I could cut and shut various parts of both my LMS Jinty loco and a Thomas body (and have a better idea of which parts). The Jinty has seen better days and the motor makes a horrible grinding sound. I'd rather sell that as spares and use a fresh Chassis from Thomas. The alternative is to modify my LMS Jinty. There are certain parts I can't get rid of that easily and I might have to end up creating some kind of "hybrid" between this: https://basilicafields.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mr-2441-2444.jpg http://www.vectis.co.uk/AuctionImages/336/4590_l.jpg(right model) And this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/47231_Whitacre%2C_1964.jpg http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/82/20/2822011_b3d10314.jpg Of course, I wouldn't have an accurate roof and I can forget about the "window" frames so I might go with that option. I will still have to scratch build that brass exhaust and extra piping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) The first two pics show the locos as built with round-top fireboxes and small cab. The model one is probably a K's kit on a Hornby Dublo chassis (the front of the footplating is too long btw the fit the RTR chassis). The third and fourth pics show rebuilt locos with Belpaire fireboxes and new cabs. Thirty of the sixty MR locos had condensing gear as shown in pics 1 and 4. The main obvious differences were the straight-backed bunker, the joggle in the top of the side tanks by the cab and the straight-up smokebox front. Somebody (Alan Gibson Workshop?) makes a smokebox front. Not sure about the height of the tanks but one of the NRM/Wild Swan books covers the class. I seem to remember an article in a fairly recent magazine about a conversion. Cotswold used to do a white metal body kit for the MR Belpaire loco. I have two which will hopefully fit Bachmann chassis. Edit to correct kit manufacturer to Craftsman as spotted by Pete below. Edited July 25, 2015 by Poor Old Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb900f Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Bruce Did you mean Cotswold or I think you mean Craftsman ? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relaxinghobby Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 The best chassis would be the Bachmann Jinty, the best body would be an old whitemetal K's bobdyline Johnson 0-6-0 kit body. Rare these days even on E-bay, so the Hornby Thomas E2 may be easier to aquire? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 The best chassis would be the Bachmann Jinty, the best body would be an old whitemetal K's bobdyline Johnson 0-6-0 kit body. Rare these days even on E-bay, so the Hornby Thomas E2 may be easier to aquire? Gotta say I'd be tempted to try the Thomas route with the tanks cut back and the side window cut away to make the larger cab cut out. the only major work would be the footplate at the front and rear and once done you would need to lower the body a little or the buffers will be to high so you will need to see if it would still clear the motor if lowered, this is the Hornby chassis if the Bachmann Jinty chassis is the same as the pannier tank chassis then the can motor is a lot lower than the Hornby one so I would be tempted to start with a Thomas body on the Bachmann chassis. good luck Steve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted July 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 22, 2015 The article was in Model Rail a few years ago. This is something I'd like to try, if it's possible. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 The article was in Model Rail a few years ago. This is something I'd like to try, if it's possible. Seeing the work you turn out Nile this would be just a walk in the park for you. I don't do Midland but love per-grouping and am tempted myself. I've got a Hornby Thomas and a Bachmann pannier so might just have a look later to see if its feasible it is and how compatible they might be together. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I think the Jinty was much wider over the tanks and bunker? The MR 3F was 8'3" of platform while the LMS version was 8'6" - so yes by 1 mm in four mill scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Bruce Did you mean Cotswold or I think you mean Craftsman ? Pete Quite correct Pete. At least someone is on the ball (my brain hurts now). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L49 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 This is one which I did years ago (before the Bachmann Jinty was even thought of), when the only rtr donor available was the Hornby model. I did most of it using scrap bits, or recycling parts off the original jinty. The only parts I bought were the Chimney, Clack valves and coal rails (all from Alan Gibson). I lowered the body by about 1.5mm (which was still over height, but a bit less obvious). I razor-sawed off the front of the smokebox, smoothed and squared it off with a file as there is quite a lot of plastic at the front of a Hornby Jinty. The smokebox door came off cleanly with the original smokebox front, so I filed the blank bit off the back and glued the door back into position. I filed the back of the bunker flat, and cut the top down along with the jiggle in the tank sides with a scalpel. The condensing gear was cut down from an N2 (which Dad had recently rebuilt as a non-condenser, first giving me the idea of doing the midland tank) the tank vents were simply plastic rod,, drilled at the top to indicate a tube. I'm half way though designing a 3d printed body for one of these, to fit either the Bachmann or Hornby chassis. I'm not sure when she'll be finished, as I'm up to my eyes in college work at the moment, but here is a little teaser... Might be ready for release by Peterborough?!? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettTheThief Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 L49, that's a brilliant conversion! Which Alan Gibson parts did you use? Because, at a cursory glance, there's an array of components but I don't know which is which as I'm not all that versed in steam locomotives. Cheers. I might go for the models without all the extra pipes (unless I can get hold of/scratch build them easily) to simplify things for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L49 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) L49, that's a brilliant conversion! Which Alan Gibson parts did you use? Because, at a cursory glance, there's an array of components but I don't know which is which as I'm not all that versed in steam locomotives. Cheers. I might go for the models without all the extra pipes (unless I can get hold of/scratch build them easily) to simplify things for me. I'm really sorry, I can't remember any of the actual part descriptions or numbers. I used to delve through Alan's stand at shows digging out bits that looked right; sometimes I was right, other times I was less lucky. I've just been through the new catalogue, and I think these are the right part numbers: Chimney: 4M672 Clack valves: 4M625 I can't find any reference to the etched coal rails in the catalogue. I'm wondering now whether they might have been in the Crownline range (that really dates it!) I'll keep looking. Edited July 25, 2015 by L49 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken A. Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Does anyone know if any of the Midland Railway 3F's acquired belpair boilers before the grouping? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted April 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2018 No. 1934 was the first to get one in 1919. The last to get one was No.1959 (LMS 7259) in 1942. From Midland Locos vol.3 (WSP). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 This is one which I did years ago (before the Bachmann Jinty was even thought of), when the only rtr donor available was the Hornby model. I did most of it using scrap bits, or recycling parts off the original jinty. The only parts I bought were the Chimney, Clack valves and coal rails (all from Alan Gibson). I lowered the body by about 1.5mm (which was still over height, but a bit less obvious). I razor-sawed off the front of the smokebox, smoothed and squared it off with a file as there is quite a lot of plastic at the front of a Hornby Jinty. The smokebox door came off cleanly with the original smokebox front, so I filed the blank bit off the back and glued the door back into position. I filed the back of the bunker flat, and cut the top down along with the jiggle in the tank sides with a scalpel. The condensing gear was cut down from an N2 (which Dad had recently rebuilt as a non-condenser, first giving me the idea of doing the midland tank) the tank vents were simply plastic rod,, drilled at the top to indicate a tube. 1951.jpg I'm half way though designing a 3d printed body for one of these, to fit either the Bachmann or Hornby chassis. I'm not sure when she'll be finished, as I'm up to my eyes in college work at the moment, but here is a little teaser... Might be ready for release by Peterborough?!? 3F first view 2.jpg Did you manage to finish the MR 3F? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted April 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2018 Looks like 3 versions on this page: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/cdcmodels?page%5Bnumber%5D=1&page%5Blimit%5D=48&page%5Border%5D=asc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Looks like 3 versions on this page: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/cdcmodels?page%5Bnumber%5D=1&page%5Blimit%5D=48&page%5Border%5D=asc Thanks for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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