SGJ Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I have a few of the 13 Ton High sided wagons by Bachmann, werethe real wagons a coal wagon or did BR use them for something else. Also is the 13 ton Hyfit steel open just used for Soda Ash The 13 Ton high sided wagon in question http://www.ehattons.com/32860/Bachmann_Branchline_38_327_13_Ton_high_sided_steel_open_wagon_with_smooth_sides_in_BR_bauxite_early_/StockDetail.aspx The only reference using google images of the real wagon is on the Scottish railway preservation society website however on this site it does not say what they were used for http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10069.htm The Hyfit wagon in the second question http://www.ehattons.com/60988/Bachmann_Branchline_38_452A_13_ton_Hyfit_steel_open_wagonwith_sheet_highbar_in_BR_bauxite_late_/StockDetail.aspx I have done a google search but it only comes up with model shops https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=BR+13+ton+Hyfit+steel+open+wagon&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:%7Breferrer:source%3F%7D&biw=1280&bih=575&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAGoVChMIg-OLl7-7yAIVxlsUCh3r5wLj&dpr=1#q=BR+13+ton+Hyfit+steel+open+wagon&start=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 AFAIK they were just for general merchandise as distinct from coal/mineral traffic. Could be, say, barrels, bales, crated goods or even timber. If the load had to be kept dry it would be tarpaulined but a Hybar/Hyfit with the sheet rail would be preferred. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The steel sided open could often be seen being loaded in Kidderminster goods yard with locally quarried sand in the late 70s and early 80s. As a general merchandise wagon they would carry just about anything but coal I would say is a very rare load. In most wagon books they appear empty when photgraphed but can often be seen in the background of other photos carrying such loads as new sleepers, pipes, bricks (stacked loose), shingle and rocks , cable coils, crated goods and in one instance a BD container. In fact just about anything. Another use is that of a barrier wagon for an oil train. In later years some moved briefly into the engineer's fleet. Then there are those wagons dedicated for soda ash traffic and the highbar coil wagon conversions Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 BD containers were an occasional traffic as well IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If you want a truly revolting load, animal hides, hooves and bones off to the glue factory; you need to model the buzzing horde of flies that rose from it when stationary, the pong can be considered optional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If you want a truly revolting load, animal hides, hooves and bones off to the glue factory; you need to model the buzzing horde of flies that rose from it when stationary, the pong can be considered optional.On a par with fish offal, which they carried from Grimsby to Melton Mowbray; once smelt, never forgotten. Other loads carried, apart from general merchandise, included big crates for the Admiralty, shingle from Lydd/ New Romney to various destinations, lime from Dowlow/ Peak Forest. I've even seen a miltary Land Rover and tractors dropped into them. Towards the end, they often carried scrap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I have a few of the 13 Ton High sided wagons by Bachmann, werethe real wagons a coal wagon or did BR use them for something else. Also is the 13 ton Hyfit steel open just used for Soda Ash The 13 Ton high sided wagon in question http://www.ehattons.com/32860/Bachmann_Branchline_38_327_13_Ton_high_sided_steel_open_wagon_with_smooth_sides_in_BR_bauxite_early_/StockDetail.aspx The only reference using google images of the real wagon is on the Scottish railway preservation society website however on this site it does not say what they were used for http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10069.htm The Hyfit wagon in the second question http://www.ehattons.com/60988/Bachmann_Branchline_38_452A_13_ton_Hyfit_steel_open_wagonwith_sheet_highbar_in_BR_bauxite_late_/StockDetail.aspx I have done a google search but it only comes up with model shops https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=BR+13+ton+Hyfit+steel+open+wagon&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:%7Breferrer:source%3F%7D&biw=1280&bih=575&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAGoVChMIg-OLl7-7yAIVxlsUCh3r5wLj&dpr=1#q=BR+13+ton+Hyfit+steel+open+wagon&start=0 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bropenmerchandisesteel http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lneropenmerchandisesteel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 This thread may be of help http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/70684-ohv-wagon-information/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted October 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2015 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bropenmerchandisesteel I like the Lowmac with the 13T on board. I'd been wondering what to do, other than the inveitable tractor or JCB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Anything that didn't need or benefit from a special purpose wagon of some kind, would be my answer. Coal does need a special purpose wagon, in that it has a combination of mass and volume that will tend to burst a wagon like this at the doors - if you look at wooden coal wagons, or the steel mineral wagons, they have a continuous top-section with the door not extending to the top, to prevent bursting. And, coal/mineral wagons weren't normally used for merchandise, because the continues top to the side made them a pig to unload using a sack-barrow or human-chain. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 BD containers were an occasional traffic as well IIRC. The use of Highs loaded with BD containers was often associated with MoD and/or valuable traffic! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Anything that didn't need or benefit from a special purpose wagon of some kind, would be my answer. Coal does need a special purpose wagon, in that it has a combination of mass and volume that will tend to burst a wagon like this at the doors - if you look at wooden coal wagons, or the steel mineral wagons, they have a continuous top-section with the door not extending to the top, to prevent bursting. And, coal/mineral wagons weren't normally used for merchandise, because the continues top to the side made them a pig to unload using a sack-barrow or human-chain. Kevin But they were when needed, for example I can remember them being used in the hard winter of 62-3 when there were insufficient mineral wagons and plenty of open merchandise which otherwise would have been condemned. No photos I'm afraid, I was too young! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Hence the word "normally" in what I said. Towards the end of WW2, wagon shortages got so acute that there was almost universal pooling by default, with coal and goods wagons getting mixed between duties. Which probably hastened wagon damage, and increased the shortage! Down south, winter 62/63 seriously messed-up coal supply - I was only small at the time, but I remember my parents being really worried about keeping my new-born brother warm - he wasn't taken outside until he was four months old - and I clearly remember the words "because the coal is frozen hard in the railway wagons" (ditto vegetables frozen in the ground). It got so bad that coal-theft started to happen, and my father rigged-up a wonderful booby-trap, using string and milk-bottles, which was triggered by something/somebody in the middle of one night - whether it was a cat or a thief we never knew, but no more coal disappeared. Kevin PS: just struck me that a popular use of these wagons on BR(S) was as rubbish skips. They used to be parked at the buffer stops of carriage sidings, those with raised walkways, so that carriage cleaners could chuck all the trash from the trains into them. There were incinerators at some depots, but if have seen bonfires lit in the wagons too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 But they were when needed, for example I can remember them being used in the hard winter of 62-3 when there were insufficient mineral wagons and plenty of open merchandise which otherwise would have been condemned. No photos I'm afraid, I was too young! Paul I have a photo of one on the drops at Egton about that date, they are having the empty it with pickaxes and shovels because the water in it has frozen the coal into a solid lump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 ... just struck me that a popular use of these wagons on BR(S) was as rubbish skips. They used to be parked at the buffer stops of carriage sidings, those with raised walkways, so that carriage cleaners could chuck all the trash from the trains into them. There were incinerators at some depots, but if have seen bonfires lit in the wagons too. I well remember one steel high (unfitted) in post-bonfire condition that I saw in a condemned string alongside the line. Looked so different with the light shining from above on the brakegear one end, the floor presumably largely burned through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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