Guest 40-something Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Hi All Im planning a new layout set on the Southern Region c1970. Thoughts have turned to modelling overhead electrification on parts of the layout. Does anyone have any good links to info/photo's of the equipment used? Whilst not looking to model the equipment 100%, I would like it to look 'right' Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2015 I take it that you mean in yards? If so, the few pictures I've seen show standard tramway fitting that are suitable for bow collectors/pantographs. They are hung on span wires. Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I take it that you mean in yards? If so, the few pictures I've seen show standard tramway fitting that are suitable for bow collectors/pantographs. They are hung on span wires. Andy G Hi Andy Thanks for your reply and info, yep, meant in yards! Trying to find info on the spacings between the support masts and whether the contact wire zig-zagged as per 25kv equipment, or was it kept in a centre line? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2015 This was ultra-low speed kit, so wear rate on the pan was not an issue. And the locos spent precious little time using the OLE anyway, it being limited to yard acceptance and despatch roads. Shunting was still conducted by diesel pilots. Furthermore, the design of the SR kit pre-dated most ac OLE design, being an integral part of Kent Coast Electrification, authorised in the late 1950s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I have a drawing "Deal De-electrification of Up siding" (dated 23/01/68) which shows the overhead zig-zaging between poles which are approximately 100ft apart. This is the only drawing I have found showing how it was installed, and I only saw it when another drawing was updated and all old drawings in the file were scrapped (I was managing the Ashford drawing office at the time). Interestingly the Down platform track was fitted with overhead in part for a loco to access the Down sidings. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 This was ultra-low speed kit, so wear rate on the pan was not an issue. And the locos spent precious little time using the OLE anyway, it being limited to yard acceptance and despatch roads. Shunting was still conducted by diesel pilots. Furthermore, the design of the SR kit pre-dated most ac OLE design, being an integral part of Kent Coast Electrification, authorised in the late 1950s. Thanks Ian I'll be modelling it on the reception and run-round tracks, plus the parcels depot on my proposed layout. So simple masts, span wires and centre contract wire appears to be the order of the day! I found of photo at Snowdown of single line OH equipment, hung from a very simple mast (which I've manged to lose!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Here is a crop of a grainy shot at Shepherds Well sidings in 1978 after the equipment was out of use, 33037 at Shepherds Well 20/5/78 cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I have a drawing "Deal De-electrification of Up siding" (dated 23/01/68) which shows the overhead zig-zaging between poles which are approximately 100ft apart. This is the only drawing I have found showing how it was installed, and I only saw it when another drawing was updated and all old drawings in the file were scrapped (I was managing the Ashford drawing office at the time). Interestingly the Down platform track was fitted with overhead in part for a loco to access the Down sidings. Cheers. Thanks Paul, very useful information Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted November 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2015 Some gantry equipment still remained at Ashford in 2004, part of which can be seen in this shot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Here is a view taken at Snowdown https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5765647996/in/photolist-bcMUXi-9LroRn-95cznC-96qxCy-95tTu3-cGBG6Q-96qxrS-dzW3og-9Mush5-95ruxB-9Mrxq8-r3z7BX-95rtFc-95cUgL-95YocS-9MrzBH-9MunU1-9Muo4h-q5jn3U-9Mun51-dVZMwt-95u8DW-4DWnqk-9MumJY-9MuoUh-dA2tQd-3fUMaD-95zjRi-95CnhY-9MryQF-4DWnz2-9MrDfg-4E1CyU-95wdE9-9MunjY-95uxPA-9MrCR2-iX1iQh-jD6PtL-4E1CsS-4E1CAU-95czN1-95zs9H-9MrzKF-95Cnoj-95vj9h-5LrqkG-9Mumjm-4E1CqE-9MuoDw cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Have a look at this page. http://www.semgonline.com/electric/class70_1.html This shows the setup at Balcombe station believed to be a testing facility close to Brighton Works. Keith HC, Dursley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Hither Green is a good source for much of this. See this link for stanchion spacing https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCJGX28PA8sgCFcFVGgodaZIBfg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsteelconstruction.com%2Fwp%2F50-years-ago-structural-steelwork-for-railways%2F&bvm=bv.106379543,d.d2s&psig=AFQjCNEO-ZP0KMaNnf_qfQFSjm6RcfUqEA&ust=1446579948341696 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Here is a view taken at Snowdown https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5765647996/in/photolist-bcMUXi-9LroRn-95cznC-96qxCy-95tTu3-cGBG6Q-96qxrS-dzW3og-9Mush5-95ruxB-9Mrxq8-r3z7BX-95rtFc-95cUgL-95YocS-9MrzBH-9MunU1-9Muo4h-q5jn3U-9Mun51-dVZMwt-95u8DW-4DWnqk-9MumJY-9MuoUh-dA2tQd-3fUMaD-95zjRi-95CnhY-9MryQF-4DWnz2-9MrDfg-4E1CyU-95wdE9-9MunjY-95uxPA-9MrCR2-iX1iQh-jD6PtL-4E1CsS-4E1CAU-95czN1-95zs9H-9MrzKF-95Cnoj-95vj9h-5LrqkG-9Mumjm-4E1CqE-9MuoDw cheers Click on a few shots to see two more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Here is a view taken at Snowdown https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5765647996/in/photolist-bcMUXi-9LroRn-95cznC-96qxCy-95tTu3-cGBG6Q-96qxrS-dzW3og-9Mush5-95ruxB-9Mrxq8-r3z7BX-95rtFc-95cUgL-95YocS-9MrzBH-9MunU1-9Muo4h-q5jn3U-9Mun51-dVZMwt-95u8DW-4DWnqk-9MumJY-9MuoUh-dA2tQd-3fUMaD-95zjRi-95CnhY-9MryQF-4DWnz2-9MrDfg-4E1CyU-95wdE9-9MunjY-95uxPA-9MrCR2-iX1iQh-jD6PtL-4E1CsS-4E1CAU-95czN1-95zs9H-9MrzKF-95Cnoj-95vj9h-5LrqkG-9Mumjm-4E1CqE-9MuoDw cheers Click on a few shots to see two more. Really good photos on here - many thanks - but one surprises me, which is 71003 at Snowdown with a rake of oil tanks. What would they be doing at Snowdown, does anyone know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Really good photos on here - many thanks - but one surprises me, which is 71003 at Snowdown with a rake of oil tanks. What would they be doing at Snowdown, does anyone know?I believe something called 'Flotation Oil' was used during the washing process of the coal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendan8056 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 The low voltage overhead is very similar to the FS (Italian) system masts, especially the type used in ex 3 phase territory in Northern Italy. Sommerfeldt and Hornby International both do suitable masts, as do some artisan suppliers in Italy. Sommerfeldt do masts in different heights so these are very suitable for the span wire design as well. Rivarossi did a suitable mast at one time as well, not the same as the current Hornby one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2015 If you look in the background of quite a few of David Larkins photographs taken at Hoo Junction and various other SR locations there is quite a selection of OHL wiring infrastructure. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizontal Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 There were some very substantial and somewhat over-the-top tubular latticed structures provided for those single trolley wires, particularly amongst those that were found at North Kent West, Hither Green, Hoo Jcn, and Ashford! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Have a look at this page. http://www.semgonline.com/electric/class70_1.html This shows the setup at Balcombe station believed to be a testing facility close to Brighton Works. Keith HC, Dursley It was about the first to be put in back in the days of the Southern Railway around 1942/43 after no CC1 entered service. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 An example of the tube type gantries for the DC overhead at Hoo Junction Up yard. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 10, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2015 Bizarre that they are still in situ. Never fails to amaze me what obsolete kit is knocking around... Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theduke71000 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Hi All Im planning a new layout set on the Southern Region c1970. Thoughts have turned to modelling overhead electrification on parts of the layout. Does anyone have any good links to info/photo's of the equipment used? Whilst not looking to model the equipment 100%, I would like it to look 'right' Thanks in advance The first tram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Dread Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I attempted to model the overheads with my "Brockley Green SE4" layout. I used brass rods with a sleeve on the base into which I soldered a threaded rod to bolt through the layout. The actual supports were a piece of lighter gauge brass rod folded into a triangle shape and soldered after pasting through holes predrilled in the masts. Insulators were glass beads and the overhead itself was two lengths of single strand telephone conductor twisted together. Upon re-flexion twin wire was too heavy and a single may have done the job but would not have been so strong. My overheads gave me no problems through some 22 exhibitions and I could brag my one and only locomotive did make contact with the overhead physically but not electrically. As far as I could see, on photographs, the overheads had no frogs but crossed each other as the modern AC wires do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The first tram system type Catenary used on the SR was installed during World War Two to test the Bulleid "Hornbies" (Class 70). It was installed on the Brighton line in the small yard at either Balcombe or Wivelsfield from memory. (Haven´t got my library with me !). The system like any other using normal pantographs had to "zig-zag" on straight track between each mast to avoid wearing a groove in the pantograph head. On curves the wire goes in a straight line between masts, and the curvature of the track determines the maximum distance between the masts. As the wire is going in a straight line and the pantograph follows the course of the loco through the curve, the same effect as zig-zag occurs on the pantograph. i.e the wire slowly swipes across the head of the pan. The Duke 71000 The first installation was at Balcombe. Full details in the Southern Way Special on the SR Co-Cos Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I found another drawing showing the DC overhead lines at Ashford while looking for something else. There was a lot of OHL, more than I realised. The plan of Ashford is dated 27th January 1960 and details modernisation of the marshalling yards. Lines equipped with OHL are sidings: 1. 1 to 10 in the Down yard, plus the reception roads x 2. 2. Up Hump yard (beside the MPD) 1 to 9 & 13, and the reception roads x 2 towards Willesborough LC. 3. Receptions roads off the Canterbury line into the Down yard and PAD 1 to 3 plus the Engine run road & shunt neck x 1. The notes state all sidings equipped for a length of 5 wagons. Plan shows position of gantries & poles with a line down the centre of the track. The Newtown sidings by the station were never equipped, the gantries look like the OHL type but were installed for the water supplies and lighting. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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