DonnyRailMan Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 My new Peppercorn Class A1 Curlew 60122. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 My new Peppercorn Class A1 Curlew 60122. Very pleased...but Hornby ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Yes this is the my Hornby version of Class A1 Curlew 60122 I contacted the lads at T.M.C. to see if they could help me out they said yes and here she is. Many thanks to all the lads . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Yes this is the my Hornby version of Class A1 Curlew 60122 I contacted the lads at T.M.C. to see if they could help me out they said yes and here she is. Many thanks to all the lads . And a very nice job they have made of it; she looks a treat. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 That gave me a right turn, that did. Bachy one isn't due until May/June. Got GF all excited for nothing. Not, ahem, for the first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 I have often wondered about the Hornby A1. Bachmann A1's look the part,true, but performance and haulage capacity are a bit hit and miss.Some are ok but some are exactly the opposite. I'm sure we'd be interested to learn from you how you get on with your new TMC conversion which really does look splendid.Well done you...and TMC of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Will do Ian, but will be about the 26-12-15 before she hits the rails though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2015 My little lad has a Hornby A1 that came in his train set last Christmas, Bon Accord in blue. Whilst it is clearly compromised and lacks the fine detail of the Bachmann model and features a more basic finish it looks a lot better than I expected it would. The running gear is pretty fine, the shape looks convincing to me and whilst the finish is basic it is nicely applied and well finished. Best of all it is a lovely runner, very smooth and quiet. The biggest failing is the lack of cab glazing, but for those on a budget it is a nice model. I think these newly tooled railroad models fill a nice niche in the hobby by providing a more affordable alternative to full spec models, yes they are compromised and lack the sort of features we'd expect of a full price model but they strike a nice balance between detail and cost I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2015 I have often wondered about the Hornby A1. Bachmann A1's look the part,true, but performance and haulage capacity are a bit hit and miss.Some are ok but some are exactly the opposite. I'm sure we'd be interested to learn from you how you get on with your new TMC conversion which really does look splendid.Well done you...and TMC of course. Doesn't the Hornby A1 have a tender which is unique to the new build replica Tornado, though (and possibly other features as well)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2015 Doesn't the Hornby A1 have a tender which is unique to the new build replica Tornado, though (and possibly other features as well)? Yes it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Hi 31A, Yes the Darlington Class A1s had / have the smooth side tenders and the Doncaster A1 tenders where riveted on the sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted November 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 Actually I was thinking of the way the tender top is plated over behind the coal space on 'Tornado's' tender (and on the Hornby model of it) flush with the top of the sides, and the filler is positioned further forward compared with the 'real' A1s - this wasn't obvious from the pictures of your model (hence my question mark), but have since found pictures of the Hornby 'Tornado' which show this is the case. And the roller bearing axle boxes for the tender and pony truck axles - I realise some A1s had these but not many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hi Ian, Well my Hornby Peppercorn Class A1 60122 CURLEW finally completed her running in programme the other day 45 minutes in each direction at steady pace. Then after that I gradually went all the way through from start slow to full steam she goes like a steam dream. I later fitted a rake of 10 coaches behind to see how she would set of having some weight behind her never a problem pulled away fine . The 3 screw pole motor in this Hornby A1 R 3245TTS is a lot better than the rubbish Hornby fitted in P2 C.O.C.K O THE NORTH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2016 Thanks for letting me know.Good news.Can you tell me which 10 coaches they were....Bachmann/Hornby....or both ? I certainly could not put 10 behind any of my Bachmann A1's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hornby all ten Ian, Pullmans 6 of & InterCity 225 coaches 4 of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hornby all ten Ian, Pullmans 6 of & InterCity 225 coaches 4 of.That's impressive.Hornby Pullmans have quite a drag factor,plus the fact that if they are lit,they draw current.Sounds promising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Ian, Assuming you are pulling on the level I can't help but wonder if something might be amiss with your Bachmann A1. All my Bachmann pacific including my A! will pull 11 Bachmann Mk1 coaches as is without any trouble at all. Judiciously add a bit of weight an 13 is possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Both my A1 Tornado's (apple and brunswick green) manage 10 Bachmann MK1 coaches with ease.The Hornby version is a better runner, but not as well detailed as the Bachmann product.You pays your money and takes your choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2016 Ian, Assuming you are pulling on the level I can't help but wonder if something might be amiss with your Bachmann A1. All my Bachmann pacific including my A! will pull 11 Bachmann Mk1 coaches as is without any trouble at all. Judiciously add a bit of weight an 13 is possible. How many A1's are you talking about ? Some Bachmann A1's are better than others,I grant you.Weight is one fix and attention to the drawbar between loco and tender to improve adhesion another.I have a layout with sections of shallow curvature,some reverse curves and a slight incline.....all of which challenges haulage capacity,admittedly. Never in a month of blue moons would I contemplate stringing 13 Bachmann Mark 1's behind any of my locos.It would look completely out of proportion anyway and be far too challenging even for the more robust examples....the best of which is a FIA Trains 10000 made by AJIN and equipped with a Canon motor.That is awesomely powerful.For my layout,8 is plenty...but that's just me ! Good luck...at least yours will be prototypically correct for the ECML in the 50's and 60's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted January 8, 2016 Author Share Posted January 8, 2016 Curlew will run with a rake of say 7/8 coach`s mostly maybe 10 but no more out , as I also think to many coach`s do make the trains look out of balance . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted January 8, 2016 Author Share Posted January 8, 2016 The layout Curlew will be using . When she ran with a rake of 10 she was on the far outside track the one I call the express line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjb1961 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hi Donnyrailman ,I do like the look of your renamed peppercorn A1,but as it is a TTS model does it judder at low speeds ,I've got one of these and a few others and they all perform the same and there is loads of posts all over the net from people saying the same ,if yours did judder but adjusted cv,s to iron out the judder could you let me know how you did it ,also I am useing NCE powercab ,,,,,,thanks martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted January 8, 2016 Author Share Posted January 8, 2016 I think I am one of the lucky ones it dose not have this problem. But I have the Hornby P2 that did it though . I took my P2 to my local model shop and they tweaked the firmwear and that did the job it now runs smooth as silk. Hope this is of some help to you Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Normally I run trains of 9 coaches. I did experiment with 10 but it did not look right even though it met the rule of 1/3. Whilst experimenting I added extra coaches and weight just to see what they would pull and that when I arrived at the numbers quoted. My minimum radius is 34" but most curves are 40" and my track is nominally level. One point I will make, most of my coaches pull through the chassis. I say this because years ago on another forum a Gentleman did some calculations and he suggested that mounting the couplings on the frame as opposed to the bogie reduced the load on the loco by about 17%. This is logical if one looks at the sidewards loading associated with pulling through the bogie and the problem gets much worse as the curve radius decreases. FYI, I have 2 A1s and 1 A2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 I think i am going to put Curlew on trials to see how many coach`s she could pull in back-to-back with my Bachmann A1 Tornado. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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