eastwestdivide Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Pardon my ignorance, but what does TGO stand for? Tried to google it, but no sensible answers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted December 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hi 40044, Thanks for that info. The Ipswich flows were, until earlier this year I believe, TTAs from Fawley then switched over to bogie TEAs from Lindsay. However, recently TTAs have made a return as in this pic from October: https://flic.kr/p/zx1xmw cheers Ben A. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I believe TGO is traction gas oil Jo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2015 TTA's were regularly conveyed on the Didcot to Mossend wagonload service, which comprises mainly automotive traffic and a few MOD bits and pieces. I believe they were running from Fawley to Peak Forest. I'm not sure how they did the final part of the journey. Does anyone know if this flow still runs? I suspect not. No - at RfD's request I took it off in the early 1990s (Speedlink network closure). MODlink workings frm Didcot carried on but I don't think any of those carried any oil flows. A lot of the smaller oil flows went at the time of the Speedlink network closure as they became totally uneconomic without that network to shift them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think the traffic returned under EWS or DBS. TTAs used to be regularly seen in Didcot Yard and worked north on 6X65 Didcot - Mossend, as far as Warrington where the train was remarshalled, including a swap to electric traction. From Warrington the tanks were tripped to Peak Forest. I do believe that this was part of the trip that took wagons needing attention to Marcroft/Axiom at Stoke. A year or so back the Esso flows out of Fawley stopped and the DBS owned ex Esso TTAs have been stored ever since as far as I'm aware. Traffic on 6X65 is mainly fed from 6X44 Dagenham - Didcot (Ford vehicles) and 6V38 Eastleigh - Didcot (MoD from Marchwood, cars from Southampton, oil from Fawley, gravel from Southampton) Jo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think the traffic returned under EWS or DBS. TTAs used to be regularly seen in Didcot Yard and worked north on 6X65 Didcot - Mossend, as far as Warrington where the train was remarshalled, including a swap to electric traction. From Warrington the tanks were tripped to Peak Forest. I do believe that this was part of the trip that took wagons needing attention to Marcroft/Axiom at Stoke. A year or so back the Esso flows out of Fawley stopped and the DBS owned ex Esso TTAs have been stored ever since as far as I'm aware. Traffic on 6X65 is mainly fed from 6X44 Dagenham - Didcot (Ford vehicles) and 6V38 Eastleigh - Didcot (MoD from Marchwood, cars from Southampton, oil from Fawley, gravel from Southampton) Jo The trip was the one used to deal with 'cripples' from Peak Forest, but also with the lime traffic from Hindlow to Mossend. It may also have conveyed the Peak Forest- Bletchley RMC mortar wagons at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 A couple from the archive. Both taken when visiting Scunthorpe after work. 24th June 2005 2nd August 2005 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Back in 1985, the Dover-Willesden-Mossend at Rochester - a few imported cars and 2 TTAs, one grey and one black. Loco fuel? Ferry fuel? That train more usually had a right old mix of ferry wagons, as well as assorted air-braked UK wagons. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Back in 1985, the Dover-Willesden-Mossend at Rochester - a few imported cars and 2 TTAs, one grey and one black. Loco fuel? Ferry fuel? That train more usually had a right old mix of ferry wagons, as well as assorted air-braked UK wagons. 85-8-31.jpg The black tank might have been carrying bunker fuel for the ferries; the grey one was probably gas-oil. I'm not sure if the fuelling point at Dover Town was built by then (Ernie'll know), so the wagon may have come down from Chart Leacon where Dover locos were refuelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The black tank might have been carrying bunker fuel for the ferries; the grey one was probably gas-oil. I'm not sure if the fuelling point at Dover Town was built by then (Ernie'll know), so the wagon may have come down from Chart Leacon where Dover locos were refuelled. Will I??? Gets a bit blurred now.... I'll have to check. They did unload Gas Oil in Bulwark sidings and there was a discharge point on the Western Docks where the track from platforms 4 and 5 went over the crossing. Supplied the tanks for the heating boilers...... never seen a picture of that one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Coincidently, the 2x tankers I have are 1 grey 1 black. I've seen shots of all grey or all black but not a m7x of the 2 like that for a stabling point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Related question! Any refueling points out there that happen to have ohle above them? Found images of refueling point lines beside ohle lines, but not with the 2 combined. Probably a fairly pointless combination in the grand scheme of things but does have its plus points for the space starved modeller! cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWT442 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) I can't answer for the 85' to '99 period you're aiming for (I wasn't born until 1990, so still hadn't hit double figures when '99 rolled around!) but I do have a few shots of workings out of Fawley in recent years. While not necessarily part of block trains, the workings out of Fawley in recent years went to Eastleigh where they went onto the enterprise working to Didcot, and formaly Wembley. What used to happen until around 2008(?) was that a block oil/bitumen train went to Tavistock running as 6V62. After bitumen stopped being carried, the working would go into Eastleigh Yard where a selection of TTA's would be dropped off and the train would reverse and carry on to Tavistock. It still ran as 6V62. When the Tavistock working ceased in October 2013, the working then became Tuesdays only as 6B62 and ran as far Eastleigh Yard. On Thursdays, another working running as 6B94 ran, again as far as Eastleigh Yard. These workings stopped in March 2015, leaving the working to/from Holybourne as the only oil train working to/from Fawley. At Eastleigh, the tanks would be formed onto the enterprise working to Didcot, normally running as 6V38 or sometimes 6X38, depending on what was also conveyed. This working had feeder trips from Marchwood MOD and Southampton Western Docks. Some TTA's would be tripped across to Eastleigh Depot. What I'm not so clear on is where the tanks went after arrival at Didcot. I think an amount continued on the Didcot to Bescot enterprise (6X65) for presumably Bescot Depot and maybe even some for Warrington. There is/was a Didcot to Wembley enterprise, so some may have gone on that for Ipswich. Some of the Eastleigh to Didcot workings could be short, I've seen it with just a handful of wagons. Normally though, the train could be quite long with it conveying containers and cars from Southampton and normally containers from Marchwood, although VGA's and very occasionally Warflats/Warwells would be seen. The inbound working is 6O15 Mossend to Eastleigh, which would contain empty TTA's returning to Fawley on a trip working from Eastleigh. The working to Didcot started around 2010(?), as it was origionally 6M44 to Wembley. Feel free to correct me, as I'm not 100% on all of it. Attached below are a few pictures of TTA's on some of these workings. There's a few links to some YouTube videos that may be of interest as well. Seen at Shawford, 66158 works 6M44 Eastleigh Yard to Wembley. 12.02.2009 Showing a fairly typical working, 66160 heads through Shawford with 6X38 Eastleigh Yard to Didcot. 23.04.2013 Heading through St. Cross, 66148 works 6V38 Eastleigh Yard to Didcot. 18.06.2013 Passing through Worting Junction, 66108 works 6O15 Mossend Yard to Eastleigh Yard. 24.02.2015 Hopefully I've not gone off on too much of a tangent and this is useful! Andy. Edited December 30, 2015 by SWT442 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Would a mixed train formation suit the O.P.? I've seen pictures of fuel tanks conveyed on the Oban line, the fuel was for the fishing boats at Oban. Possibly but I has seen two oil terminal depot at Oban by oil depot near side quayside and oil depot site on former locomotive shed History Edit Oban station in 1948 Oban station opened on 1 July 1880. A ticket platform (long since disused but still in situ) was located on the west side of the single line, about half a mile to the south. Just south of there, a short branch line diverged to the east, towards a goods yard and engine shed. Two additional platforms were constructed on the west side of the station in 1904, following the opening of the branch from Connel Ferry to Ballachulish. Following closure of the goods yard and engine shed, a rail-connected oil storage depot occupied part of the site for a number of years, although this has itself since closed. Since 1982, only the 1904-built platforms remain in use (still numbered as Platforms 3 and 4). The present small station building was officially opened on 3 January 1986, the occasion being marked by the naming of two Class 37 locomotives. Despite it being a listed building, the original station building was subsequently demolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 SWT442, that is a good write up! I particularly like the picture of 66108, makes me want to break out some KFAs and replicate it (with a proper engine up front of course, not a shed!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWT442 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Thank you, hope it's of some use! I use the trains to/from Eastleigh and their associated trip workings to influence my own modelling interests. When the Eastleigh to Wembley ran, it could sometimes throw up a Class 37. Around the early 2000's, Class 58's could also be booked to work it. I normally search Flickr using the headcode and a year to help find pictures that may be of interest to my needs. Andy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Bit of an expansion on Andy's post hopefully.After the Bitumen stopped running on 6V62 from memory the train became a longer block working of TGO tanks, running via Bristol St Philips Marsh (that had been a separate block train from memory) The Exeter call was dropped (again from memory) with road transport taking over that one just before Wessex Trains passed to First Great Western which would have been about 2006?From Tavy Jcn, the Laira traffic was a trip, Tavy Jcn to St Blazey traffic was tacked onto wagonload (which would otherwise be a block train of clay!) trains, and St Blazey to Penzance was a block trip.Destinations served via the Didcot wagonload hub included Cardiff Canton (wagonload Didcot to ADJ then tripped) and Ipswich (wagonload to Wembley, then from recollection at various points in time that's run as ( a ) wagonload on a train that did a kind of circular Wembley-Ely-Ipswich-Harwich-Wembley, ( b ) tagged onto that intermodal, or ( c ) as a short block train to Ipswich yard - finally Freightliner* moved them in ones and twos between Ipswich Yard and the fuelling point as needed).In addition, EWS had been getting it's TGO from one of the Humberside terminals in an interesting mix of TTA/TUA (see Ernie's Scunny pics up-thread) also delivered by the wagonload network (including to Eastleigh!) - later on Fawley became the supply for much if not all EWS/DBS sites, EWS/DBS took over the Esso tank fleet and they really spread their wings for a couple of years until the contract changed again.(*I do also have shots on my site of the time when Freightliner sent a 70 light all the way from Ipswich to Wembley to pick the tanks up after EWS had cancelled the train though, that's an unusual block train!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Related question! Any refueling points out there that happen to have ohle above them? Found images of refueling point lines beside ohle lines, but not with the 2 combined. Probably a fairly pointless combination in the grand scheme of things but does have its plus points for the space starved modeller! cheers. what about the one at Willesden? Was the fuelling point there not located at one end of the electric depot for the local shunters and class 25s in earlier years. with the depot being electric I'd expect the fuelling point had ohle through it but perhaps it could be isolated when fuelling was taking place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Allerton depot may be another. I'm not sure where the fuelling point was, but it was certainly electrified and handled diesels too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 what about the one at Willesden? Was the fuelling point there not located at one end of the electric depot for the local shunters and class 25s in earlier years. with the depot being electric I'd expect the fuelling point had ohle through it but perhaps it could be isolated when fuelling was taking place Looking at Quail p1, the fuel roads at Willesden were three non-electrified roads at the north end of the depot. The same book's plan of Allerton doesn't indicate which was the fuel road, but there were four or five unwired roads in the middle of the layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Looking at Quail p1, the fuel roads at Willesden were three non-electrified roads at the north end of the depot. The same book's plan of Allerton doesn't indicate which was the fuel road, but there were four or five unwired roads in the middle of the layout. hmmmm there was an article in Traction magazine just the other month about a drivers memories at Willesden and I thought the diagram had the fuelling point on the south (London) end just outside the building. I could be mistaken though, I thought it was an odd place for it Edited January 28, 2016 by GordonC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Cheers guys. in the grand scheme of things it does seem pretty pointless to electrify a refueling road! Plan i had that created the question has been amended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 interesting thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The fuel roads at Craigentinny are wired, see photographs below Jim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 All the fuelling points at Ferme Park are on wired roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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