RMweb Premium PMP Posted May 28, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2016 It's an IL-76TD, a rare beast. Also an AN12 is in too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 No, the plane I saw/heard was a propellor-driven one. I don't think it was the Airbus either-it wasn't that tubby and I don't think it had a high tailplane. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 It's an IL-76TD, a rare beast. Also an AN12 is in too. The one I saw yesterday was deffo turbo prop; sorry to be an arse as I know you know the 'story'! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 It's an IL-76TD, a rare beast. Also an AN12 is in too. The IL76TD is a high wing 4 jet aircraft, the AN12 is a smallish 4 prop high wing. The USAF do not have a prop replacement for the C130 Hercules, as yet. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 That would have been the AN12 then. Thanks chaps; good job I'm not a plane spotter!! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 The IL76TD is a high wing 4 jet aircraft, the AN12 is a smallish 4 prop high wing. The USAF do not have a prop replacement for the C130 Hercules, as yet. Rob So, a few weeks ago when this plane was seen over the Idle Valley Nature Reserve here in 36E, the bloke who insisted that this aircraft was an American Forces Aircraft, when I was suggesting to him that it was a Russian Freighter, was wrong......hoorah, I was correct for a change! Philth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 So, a few weeks ago when this plane was seen over the Idle Valley Nature Reserve here in 36E, the bloke who insisted that this aircraft was an American Forces Aircraft, when I was suggesting to him that it was a Russian Freighter, was wrong......hoorah, I was correct for a change! Philth. Well it could have been a USAF Hercules, but I think you probably know what they look like. There aren't many high wing 4 props to chose from, if it wasn't a Herc'. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 As an 'interested in airplanes' spotter can I point out that the OP is almost certainly telling us that it was a piston engined 4 prop rather than a 4 prop turboprop which has a completely different sound but not appearance. Or is he? I am confused. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 Not many, if any piston 4 engined, aircraft around now. I can't think of any of that type, high wing 4 prop, even in the piston engined heyday. Rob Edit for clarity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 Well it could have been a USAF Hercules, but I think you probably know what they look like. There aren't many high wing 4 props to chose from, if it wasn't a Herc'. Rob It wasn't really a Herc shape and the sound was quite different. Slightly OT but 'Finningly' is getting really quite busy at times, however it is often a case of 4 or 5 planes leaving/arriving in a short space of time and then nothing for ages! Must be fun at baggage collect! If anyone is interested I'm told there is a weekdaily service to Berlin (some good trains to watch I'm told). Not sure without looking, if there is a weekend Berlin service. Phil Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Not many, if any piston 4 engined, aircraft around now. I can't think of any of that type even in the piston engined heyday. Rob Oh lordie!!! DC4, DC6, DC7a b and c, Lockheed Constellation and Starliner, Avro York, Canadair CL4, Boeing Stratocruiser, Handley Page Hermes, Avro Tudor, Focke Wulf Condor......these were just the ones I know about and I have seen all bar the last three. Bear in mind that in the 50's and very early sixties all these aircarft were in fleet usage so were seen constantly and in large numbers both in the skies over the UK and on the ground at most large airports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Slightly OT but 'Finningly' is getting really quite busy at times, however it is often a case of 4 or 5 planes leaving/arriving in a short space of time and then nothing for ages! Most likely because air traffic control can only allocate sky to these services at specific times and it is easier to deal with them in bulk on a quiet day. It is also possible that the resident control tower is only manned part time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 Oh lordie!!! DC4, DC6, DC7a b and c, Lockheed Constellation and Starliner, Avro York, Canadair CL4, Boeing Stratocruiser, Handley Page Hermes, Avro Tudor, Focke Wulf Condor......these were just the ones I know about and I have seen all bar the last three. Bear in mind that in the 50's and very early sixties all these aircarft were in fleet usage so were seen constantly and in large numbers both in the skies over the UK and on the ground at most large airports. Only the Avro York of those is high wing, and even then shoulder mounted. All the rest are low or mid mounted. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Only the Avro York of those is high wing, and even then shoulder mounted. All the rest are low or mid mounted. Rob True but your post reads as though there were very few piston engined 4 prop aircraft about in the old days. I think that only the Russians produce large(ish) piston engined aircraft these days so the idea of a Russian freighter holds water in this specific case. With a high wing design you are doomed to have a fuselage mounted undercarriage and that in turn restricts the width between the main wheels which in turn can promote snaking and ground loops. Still very useful for freighters as a rear door loading ramp is much easier to fit and use. Again off topic, I can vividly remember the Flying Tiger freight only CL44 which was a copy of the Bristol Britannia with a fully swinging tail section. On a low wing design this needed a scissor lift capable of handling quite heavy cargo loads but since the Constellations that the CL44 replaced required this form of loader anyway using a huge side loading door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 The one I saw yesterday was deffo turbo prop; sorry to be an arse as I know you know the 'story'! Phil My apologies Phil, the AN12 was in yesterday (still is) its same size roughly as a hercules so possible to mix up, it looks like a tubby Herc the fuselage more rounded and has a distinct anhedral on the wing profile. they are much more dirty though with very distinctive smoke trails, particularly on departure or working hard. It was in a couple of weeks ago so very possible you saw it then too, (no USAAF been through in a long while). Both types C130/AN12 designed for similar roles. The IL76 is also in DSA at the moment, been a long while since I worked with one, its out this evening middle east bound, if you see it underline it in yer book you wont see one for quite a while! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 My apologies Phil, the AN12 was in yesterday (still is) its same size roughly as a hercules so possible to mix up, it looks like a tubby Herc the fuselage more rounded and has a distinct anhedral on the wing profile. they are much more dirty though with very distinctive smoke trails, particularly on departure or working hard. It was in a couple of weeks ago so very possible you saw it then too, (no USAAF been through in a long while). Both types C130/AN12 designed for similar roles. The IL76 is also in DSA at the moment, been a long while since I worked with one, its out this evening middle east bound, if you see it underline it in yer book you wont see one for quite a while! Do you know what time it's due off P? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchinLoco Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Hi Chaps, As a ex Luton Airport person, I have been interested in this, and found out there was not any prop other than the Fokker 50 daily flight in Luton for awhile. The Fokker 50 is a twin turbo prop. Hope this helps. Gordon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 My apologies Phil, the AN12 was in yesterday (still is) its same size roughly as a hercules so possible to mix up, it looks like a tubby Herc the fuselage more rounded and has a distinct anhedral on the wing profile. they are much more dirty though with very distinctive smoke trails, particularly on departure or working hard. It was in a couple of weeks ago so very possible you saw it then too, (no USAAF been through in a long while). Both types C130/AN12 designed for similar roles. The IL76 is also in DSA at the moment, been a long while since I worked with one, its out this evening middle east bound, if you see it underline it in yer book you wont see one for quite a while! The IL76MF version is a very rare stretched version of the IL76. One of them has been into Stansted this year twice and it cause a spotting frenzy each time. It was Royal Jordanian AF JY-JID/361. Is this the same one by any chance? Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 GCHQ will have the information that we need. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 Just seen the IL76 heading S then SE over 36E. Big bu**er but quite quiet really. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 Just seen the IL76 heading S then SE over 36E. Big bu**er but quite quiet really. Phil RJZ360 so a different aircraft to the Stansted one. Pity it didn't come down a bit further. Currently here https://planefinder.net/flight/RJZ360 Rob Edit: Link now redundant as flight completed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rob D2 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Nice C5 Galaxy PMP ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
108 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Nice C5 Galaxy PMP ! Not with that glazed nose. Il-76 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I was being ironic. I know it's not a C5 That's a C5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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