Rail-Online Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Hi, This came as an undated neg, the train is hauled by Brush type 4 No 1609 (no D) at Twyford. the loco is in Std blue and was off Bath Road from 1967 before being re-allocated to Canton in Aug 1969, following on to Landore in October 1969 for several years, all of which could be on a car train at Twyford! Therefore i wonder if the cars can help with the date. TBH I don't even know what they are -but you guys will! Thanks in advance for your help, Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2016 My guess is they are Mk lll Ford Cortinas, saloon and estate versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2016 They are early mk3 cortinas so with a pre TOPS number I'd say 70-74, shame the cars aren't the other way round as grilles changed with time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I've rarely seen so much impending disappointment loaded onto one train. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2016 Just think of all the fun DIY mechanics have to come changing the void bushes on that lot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2016 Just think of all the fun DIY mechanics have to come changing the void bushes on that lot! Were there issues with soft camshafts on certain engines? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2016 The cams on the early pinto engines weren't the best, not quite as bad as early Astra ones but not good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2016 Yes, Pinto was the name I thought I recalled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 They are early mk3 cortinas so with a pre TOPS number I'd say 70-74, shame the cars aren't the other way round as grilles changed with time There was a subtle change in the rear lights when they went to the plastic grille too, but I think we're too end on to make that out. All three bodies there; some are 2 door saloons. Perhaps the fact that they are all Cortinas could* mean we are close to the initial launch of the model. If there had been the odd Mk.IV Zephyr or Zodiac in there that would have shortened the timescale a bit.** * only a speculative could! ** Some early views of the first built Cartic-4 show Mk.I Cortinas and Mk.IV Zephyr/Zodiacs which narrows it to 1966, as the Z car came out about half a year before the Cortina Mk.II. Incidentally, back in June 1978 I saw a trainload of the as-then unlaunched Mk.III Marina on a car train, so sometimes what's on a car train like this can be seen before the launch date of a model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2016 Yes, Pinto was the name I thought I recalled. So called because always needed a Pinto oil, Pinto coolant and Pinto water Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I have 8 Hornby Cartics loaded with - Ford Anglias !!! Mate had a beat up old anglia with a nice view of the tarmac under the footwell !! To the tune of "Valencia" we sang "Ford Anglia, your on the boil your leaking oil the very thought of you is tragic" !!!. Happy days Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It was probably a Dagenham- Severn Tunnel Junction working; for many years, Ford had a terminal on the site of the former STJ steam shed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fodenway Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The cams on the early pinto engines weren't the best, not quite as bad as early Astra ones but not good F.O.R.D. - Fix Or Repair Daily - those OHC engines usually died at around 70.000 miles, if the body hadn't rotted out first...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2016 It was probably a Dagenham- Severn Tunnel Junction working; for many years, Ford had a terminal on the site of the former STJ steam shed. Probably was Brian as it's on the Down Main Line heading west. The location from which the photo was taken is known as Land's End although the pub of that name is a little way off and nowhere near the railway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waveydavey Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The cams on the early pinto engines weren't the best, not quite as bad as early Astra ones but not good A mate of mine has had a 1979 Granada in the family since it was a couple of years old. It's the now ultra rare 2.0L base model with the Pinto engine rather than the much more common V6 engined version. We've had many a conversation over the years about the failings of the Pinto and he has always maintained that the issue was that the holes in the oil spray bar for the cam were too small leading to oil starvation and consequent wear to the cam. Once you'd fitted a spray bar with larger holes the issue went away. Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crompton 33 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 When i was working at a ford garage back in the late 1960's. The word Ford ment first on rubbish dump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 A mate of mine has had a 1979 Granada in the family since it was a couple of years old. It's the now ultra rare 2.0L base model with the Pinto engine rather than the much more common V6 engined version. We've had many a conversation over the years about the failings of the Pinto and he has always maintained that the issue was that the holes in the oil spray bar for the cam were too small leading to oil starvation and consequent wear to the cam. Once you'd fitted a spray bar with larger holes the issue went away. Cheers David At about that time, I worked for a motor factors in Stoke- we did a lot of repeat business in reground camshafts for 2 litre Ford engines, apparently down to inadequate lubrication. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1970's Fords weren't all bad. Another mate had a Pinto Cortina estate, he changed the OHC spray bar regularly along with frequent oil & filter changes - never had any problems. As my dad used to say about ALL cars, Oil is cheaper than bearings !!! Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Bird Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Not all Fords are bad. I have a Cortina (with a Kent engine) which is 46 years old, MOT'd and always starts first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 F.O.R.D. - Fix Or Repair Daily - those OHC engines usually died at around 70.000 miles, if the body hadn't rotted out first...... Good to see you joining us on here. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted June 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2016 I have 8 Hornby Cartics loaded with - Ford Anglias !!! Mate had a beat up old anglia with a nice view of the tarmac under the footwell !! To the tune of "Valencia" we sang "Ford Anglia, your on the boil your leaking oil the very thought of you is tragic" !!!. Happy day Brit15 Looks like Harry and Ron have missed platform 9 & 3/4 again! Regards, Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Yes the Hornby Cartic only came with 8 Anglias for some reason. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 When they first came out they came with 16 MINIX cars (which could include Ford Anglias too). I'd guess though that 16 plastic MINIX cars weighed less than 8 Oxford Diecast ones. For and early '70s Ford train you could mix Corgi Trackside Mk.I Escorts with Oxford Diecast Mk.III Cortinas & Mk.I Granadas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Yes the Hornby Cartic only came with 8 Anglias for some reason. DSCF1304resized.jpg Brit15 Looks like they are passing through Mirfield judging by the signals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 A few years ago I had a 1977 Escort Ghia with the 2.0L Pinto (Aussie market only model). Given its advanced years and woeful state of neglect it was a good engine, being torquey, powerful and reliable. Maybe not a classic like the Xflow but pretty competent. Sure, it leaked and burned a staggering quantity of oil, and the starter motor fell off a couple of times but it did maybe 30,000 km over 18 months without suffering any major mechanical failure. I did make a point of changing the cambelt early in proceedings though , mainly because my father once experienced a broken one on a rental Cortina many years before. I do remember, though, a time when every car accessory shop/motor factor in the UK .had a wallful of vacuum packed aftermarket Pinto cam kits on display which, even as a naive teenager, I suspected might say something about the design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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