RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted October 23, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 The final picture of this long sequence as 5041 heads for the tunnel. Thanks for watching and for supportive comments and interesting info. More soon. John C. 26 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted October 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2020 I’m jolly glad I bought a platform ticket today so I could watch those manoeuvres close up!! Thank you for making it all hapoen! 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted October 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2020 Great sequence John. Brought to mind my train-spotting trips to Bournemouth Central when I was a nipper. Extra coaches were put on to the up Weymouth trains. They were pushed into the empty platform by a shunter (03 or 04 I think) so that people could get on, then pulled out to a siding while the Weymouth part ran in - usually behind a ‘Merchant’. Then the Bournemouth coaches were pushed back into the platform and buffered up to the rest of the train. Can’t imagine that now! We loved it because sitting in the siding we could see into the shed easier. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Excellent 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Every coach you build takes you ever closer to the ‘rule’: “no two the same in a GWR train”! Each time I see photographs on this thread I think about building some of the carriages in my stash. I’ve not furthered any of them so far, but maybe one time. Thank you for the inspiration. 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted November 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 Last time 2819 featured on this thread it was pulling a through freight. Now it's back on coal train duties, heading east with an assortment of empty PO coal wagons. I managed another new angle with the second shot, resting the camera on the island platform where the island platform station building normally sits. Having a train in the down platform ensures that the central void and the rest of the loft isn't visible. The assorted goods wagons the 28xx was hauling the other week are now awaiting the (imminent?) arrival of a Dapol mogul to head them. I have the number plates, I've just fettled some Modelu lamps, and I just need to put a layer of Dullcote on the newly painted Modelu crew - all I need now is the loco! (BTW, I ordered some more buffer beam transfers from Fox about 3pm one day last week - they arrived by first class post the next morning. Full marks.) John C. 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted November 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2020 Lovely scenes! The gent on the seat has very shiny shoes- he must be an ex serviceman or on the way to an interview. The feeling of space on the platform view makes social distancing easy! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Limpley Stoker said: Lovely scenes! The gent on the seat has very shiny shoes- he must be an ex serviceman or on the way to an interview. The feeling of space on the platform view makes social distancing easy! He's been telling his wife he's still working in the office. Little does she know that he was laid off three weeks ago. Everyone else is in the Courtenay Arms, getting well-loaded before the next lockdown starts. British Transport Police are on standby, just off-stage. They're waiting for the unruly mob to try and get the last train back, after closing time. It will be an unruly mob, because the last train has been cancelled. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold checkrail Posted November 3, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 3, 2020 15 hours ago, Limpley Stoker said: The gent on the seat has very shiny shoes- he must be an ex serviceman or on the way to an interview. Indeed. Think he's thumbing the pockets of his weskit to make sure he's still got his ticket! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold checkrail Posted November 3, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 3, 2020 14 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: He's been telling his wife he's still working in the office. Little does she know that he was laid off three weeks ago. Sounds like one of those Japanese 'salarymen', afraid of losing face. At least he's got some interesting trains to watch. 14 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: Everyone else is in the Courtenay Arms, Hmm. That's given me an idea for a nice little future project - renaming the pub. I'm sure I could find a way to replicate the Courtenay family coat of arms at a suitable scale if the Earl of Devon doesn't mind! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted November 3, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2020 More of 2819. This time it was the main station building on the down platform that was removed to find new vantage points. Quite like this next one, with the shadow of the canopy, the station signs and the daylight showing through the station building. In the last one the left hand staircase roof supports for the canopy don't look vertical. I've had another look at them and in reality they are. John C. 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, checkrail said: if the Earl of Devon doesn't mind! I've had a word and he doesn't mind in the slightest ! 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted November 3, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Last three pics in this 2819 sequence. Since my only visit to Pendon, almost 50 years ago, I've always had a yen for a 28xx-hauled train of PO coal wagons, and since my return to the hobby I've enjoyed building up a collection of South Welsh coal wagons from various sources. However, in recent years I've read more than once that most coal supplies came into Devon & Cornwall by sea. Makes sense I guess with South Wales just across the Bristol Channel. So I have no idea what sort of coal flows came into Devon by rail, and if necessary I'll have to invoke Rule 1. And anyway, if Pendon can have such a coal train traversing Dartmoor, and crossing a Brunel timber viaduct to boot ..... John C. Edited November 3, 2020 by checkrail 'supplies', not 'supplied'. 27 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwell Hall Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, checkrail said: Last three pics in this 2819 sequence. Since my only visit to Pendon, almost 50 years ago, I've always had a yen for a 28xx-hauled train of PO coal wagons, and since my return to the hobby I've enjoyed building up a collection of South Welsh coal wagons from various sources. However, in recent years I've read more than once that most coal supplied came into Devon & Cornwall by sea. Makes sense I guess with South Wales just across the Bristol Channel. So I have no idea what sort of coal flows came into Devon by rail, and if necessary I'll have to invoke Rule 1. And anyway, if Pendon can have such a coal train traversing Dartmoor, and crossing a Brunel timber viaduct to boot ..... John C. Lovely work as usual! I share your appreciation of a 28xx powered train of coal wagons and like you was inspired by the Pendon long coal train. I currently have a string of around 30 coal wagons already done with a 28xx in the cupboard awaiting conversion to EM. Like you I thought that such a train would be unlikely on my Maiden Newton project until I recently obtained a GWR Summer 1947 Service Timetable which showed a Rogerstone - Weymouth coal train on Tuesdays only - well that's good enough for me and an empties train ran on Thursdays! You my also like to know that the long coal train at Pendon now runs on the Vale scene as was always intended. Pendon Museum must be the only model railway that can loose a near 100 wagon train and it looks superb in the landscape! Gerry 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted November 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2020 John, if you haven't been to Pendon for 50 years you need to make the trip as soon as this Covid business is under control. It really is worth a visit. Awe inspiring in the true sense. Make a holiday pilgrimage of it - Pendon, Didcot, Wallingford, Swindon... 4 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welchester Posted November 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2020 20 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: British Transport Police are on standby, just off-stage. They're waiting for the unruly mob to try and get the last train back, after closing time. It will be an unruly mob, because the last train has been cancelled. Surely it would have been the Company Police in these days. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, checkrail said: Last three pics in this 2819 sequence. Since my only visit to Pendon, almost 50 years ago, I've always had a yen for a 28xx-hauled train of PO coal wagons, and since my return to the hobby I've enjoyed building up a collection of South Welsh coal wagons from various sources. However, in recent years I've read more than once that most coal supplied came into Devon & Cornwall by sea. Makes sense I guess with South Wales just across the Bristol Channel. So I have no idea what sort of coal flows came into Devon by rail, and if necessary I'll have to invoke Rule 1. And anyway, if Pendon can have such a coal train traversing Dartmoor, and crossing a Brunel timber viaduct to boot ..... John C. The wonderful views of the long coal train crossing the brunel viaduct are no more. The train has moved upstairs into the vale scene for which it was always intended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, TrevorP1 said: John, if you haven't been to Pendon for 50 years you need to make the trip as soon as this Covid business is under control. It really is worth a visit. Awe inspiring in the true sense. Make a holiday pilgrimage of it - Pendon, Didcot, Wallingford, Swindon... Chinnor and Princes Risborough is the same part of the world too. Took my younger son last week. A nice little ride up to the junction station at Princes Risborough! Both my sons loved Pendon even though are quite small. Even my wife was happy to spend a couple of hours there! David 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I too haven't made a visit to Pendon for many, many years. I was a fairly frequent visitor when I lived in Oxfordshire and always found it to be inspirational. On my last visit during a Sunday afternoon I managed to catch the 28xx hauling the wagons across the spectacular viaduct. In the silence came a small voice saying "Bob ! Bob ! Quick come and look at this", pointing to the 28xx and its wagons. After it had passed the young boy, who had stood on the bench next to me to enable him to see it then turned and said " Wow ! That was brilliant ". He then pulled the sleeve of his father standing behind us and as I looked around it was 'Whispering' Bob Harris, of The Old Grey Whistle Test fame. It took me totally by surprise and after a short chat about railways we then went separate ways to enjoy the exhibition. G 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted November 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 hours ago, bgman said: I too haven't made a visit to Pendon for many, many years. I was a fairly frequent visitor when I lived in Oxfordshire and always found it to be inspirational. On my last visit during a Sunday afternoon I managed to catch the 28xx hauling the wagons across the spectacular viaduct. In the silence came a small voice saying "Bob ! Bob ! Quick come and look at this", pointing to the 28xx and its wagons. After it had passed the young boy, who had stood on the bench next to me to enable him to see it then turned and said " Wow ! That was brilliant ". He then pulled the sleeve of his father standing behind us and as I looked around it was 'Whispering' Bob Harris, of The Old Grey Whistle Test fame. It took me totally by surprise and after a short chat about railways we then went separate ways to enjoy the exhibition. G Nice. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted November 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2020 Morning John, I find a visit to Stoke Courtney just as inspirational as Pendon. Particularly your carriage conversions. I suppose it must be almost 10 years since I’ve been to Pendon, but I can pop on here daily to see the developments. Thanks as ever for sharing. Regards, Neal. 4 5 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold checkrail Posted November 4, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) On 03/11/2020 at 16:38, Bulwell Hall said: Like you I thought that such a train would be unlikely on my Maiden Newton project until I recently obtained a GWR Summer 1947 Service Timetable which showed a Rogerstone - Weymouth coal train on Tuesdays only Yes, it's mentioned in Iain Rice's excellent Railway modelling the realistic way, 2007, as the "weekly steamer coal train ... on it's way to replenish the bunkers of the Channel Islands steam packet boats" and illustrated by a pic of a model of that train on Andrew Duncan's layout, passing Maiden Newtown (sic) signal box. Edited November 4, 2020 by checkrail punctuation 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold checkrail Posted November 4, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2020 21 hours ago, Denbridge said: The wonderful views of the long coal train crossing the brunel viaduct are no more. The train has moved upstairs into the vale scene for which it was always intended. On 03/11/2020 at 16:38, Bulwell Hall said: You my also like to know that the long coal train at Pendon now runs on the Vale scene as was always intended. Pendon Museum must be the only model railway that can loose a near 100 wagon train and it looks superb in the landscape! I'm glad to hear that the 28xx has found its proper home on the Vale scene. Glad too for the viaduct. Was it CJF who observed years ago that by rights the 28xx should be lying on the valley floor, surrounded by matchwood? As for 100 wagons - fantastic! My coal train is one fifth that length but the max my offstage storage sidings can take. 7 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwell Hall Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, checkrail said: Yes, it's mentioned in Iain Rice's excellent Railway modelling the realistic way, 2007, as the "weekly steamer coal train ... on it's way to replenish the bunkers of the Channel Islands steam packet boats" and illustrated by a pic of a model of that train on Andrew Duncan's layout, passing Maiden Newtown (sic) signal box. Now that is interesting - I'd like to know where Iain got that information from. Off the top of my head the GWR Channel Island steamers were oil fired from the mid 1920s when new vessels were provided for the service. St Julian and St Helier were the passenger (Mail?) steamers and the freight vessels were Roebuck and Sambur. I shall have to do some digging when I next go to my shed. Certainly earlier steamers were coal fired and were serviced by coal wagons worked over the Weymouth Harbour Tramway to the Marine Coal Siding on Commercial Rd. where the fuel was transferred to lighters which were then taken down to the Channel Islands berths by the GWRs own tug. I would surmise that by the 1940s the coal train was for domestic and commercial fuel and the train may have only run when required although it is not shown as such in the Service Timetable. But none of that matters as I shall still run my 25 wagon, 28xx powered coal train just because I like it! The 100 wagon coal trains as run at Pendon was the maximum that could run over the GWR mainline from South Wales to London and were even then only limited by the length of refuge sidings en route rather than any lack of motive power. The Pendon train is usually fewer - around 90 wagons - but is never the less a very impressive sight. 25 wagons is the maximum that my long storage siding will take. Gerry Edited November 4, 2020 by Bulwell Hall 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 @checkrail Quote In recent years I've read more than once that most coal supplies came into Devon & Cornwall by sea. Makes sense I guess with South Wales just across the Bristol Channel. So I have no idea what sort of coal flows came into Devon by rail That reminds me of something my late father-in-law explained to me. As an ex-HM Harbour Master, with ancestors in Guernsey, Isle of Wight, Cornwall and South Wales, he had a keen interest in how they came to be there. It was all interwoven with merchant shipping families and trade by sea. The part that's particular relevant here was between Devon & Cornwall (as metal ore producers) and South Wales (as coal producers and metal refining). I had been puzzled why metal ore was produced in Devon & Cornwall but refined in Wales. He explained it took something like 10 tons of coal to refine each ton of ore. So it was more economic to move the ore to the coal, by sea, not the other way round. But then you had empty ships in South Wales, wanting a cargo, so coal arrived in North Devon & Cornwall by sea in the returning ships as well. Then there were the North Somerset coalfields. Does anyone know how wide & far the coal from there went? By PO wagons as well? But would that have been too early for the period Checkrail has in mind? 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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