RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted November 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2023 It is a Do-31 on display at the Dornier museum in Friedrichshafen. 2 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erichill16 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Looks like a Fokker 27 got frisky with a B29 ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted November 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, rob D2 said: Looks like a Fokker 27 got frisky with a B29 ! Edited November 14, 2023 by J. S. Bach 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erichill16 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, rob D2 said: Looks like a Fokker 27 got frisky with a B29 ! Looks to me like a pumped up Arado 234 Blitz but the lift engines don’t look like anything I’ve seen before. Anyway something a little more familiar. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I've spent a lot of time in simulators recently 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickstart Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 11 hours ago, Erichill16 said: Looks to me like a pumped up Arado 234 Blitz but the lift engines don’t look like anything I’ve seen before. 2 Pegasus engines (probably to be expected!) and it seems 8 small specific lift engines. Imagine that landing and taking off from an Invincible class ship. As an aside, I would suspect with the Pegasus on the wings, and the specific lift engines on the ends of the wings, a failed engine would have a dramatic effect at a critical time. All the best Katy 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted November 15, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2023 17 hours ago, Kickstart said: Love the Panda Eyes cockpit windows! All the best Katy The panda eyes on the A350 was a stroke of brilliance by Airbus, it gives the aircraft a distinctive look and adds a little flair. Most new Airbus jets seem to have adopted the concept, or at least a lot of newer A320 family and A330 jets seem to have the panda eye framing. Unfortunately I think Air Canada have added their own interpretation which doesn't work anything like as well which is part of their current livery. I preferred the older grey livery. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 i'm sure those black surrounds have a technical reason . BA seems to have them too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickstart Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, rob D2 said: i'm sure those black surrounds have a technical reason . BA seems to have them too The original photo had panda eyes on a panda themed aircraft All the best Katy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted November 15, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Kickstart said: 2 Pegasus engines (probably to be expected!) and it seems 8 small specific lift engines. Imagine that landing and taking off from an Invincible class ship. As an aside, I would suspect with the Pegasus on the wings, and the specific lift engines on the ends of the wings, a failed engine would have a dramatic effect at a critical time. All the best Katy The lift engines were RR RB612's, for more info' see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_31 Rob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickstart Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, mezzoman253 said: The lift engines were RR RB612's, for more info' see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_31 Rob Yes, fairly small engines. Combined more powerful than the Pegasus engines combined, but only for lift. With the Pegasus making use of the rotating nozzles for vertical take off with the lift engine, I presume for short take off it it could just use the Pegasus. Either way, loss of lift from one of the engines on the wings would presumably result in a fairly dramatic drop of one wing, and at low speed with little lift from the wings the results would likely be so quick that it possibly wouldn't be controlable All the best Katy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted November 15, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2023 4 hours ago, jjb1970 said: The panda eyes on the A350 was a stroke of brilliance by Airbus, it gives the aircraft a distinctive look and adds a little flair. Most new Airbus jets seem to have adopted the concept, or at least a lot of newer A320 family and A330 jets seem to have the panda eye framing. Unfortunately I think Air Canada have added their own interpretation which doesn't work anything like as well which is part of their current livery. I preferred the older grey livery. Looks more like a racoon to me! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted November 15, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2023 A section from a grainy long shot of Do31 at Paris Air Show July 1969 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 . 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold SHMD Posted November 15, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) "Horse on a plane" ? I admit, not as good (sounding) as a "snake on a plane" ... ...but it did result in "dumping fuel" because the plane as too heavy to land (earlier than planned). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67406779 Kev. Edit to add - (earlier than planned). Edited November 15, 2023 by SHMD 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted November 16, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 14/11/2023 at 15:05, jjb1970 said: Something I like about the Air China 737 livery is it still has the anti-glare bib in front of the cockpit windows, which I always liked as a neat livery feature. For some reason only the 737 fleet has retained it, are 737 cockpits prone to glare or is it purely a stylistic quirk that it has survived on the 737 while being dropped from everything else I wonder? I think it's just a company livery thing, none of easyJets 200/300/700's ever had it. I was fortunate enough to ride up front many times with them in all three types and a320's and can't recall any notable difference from a jumpseat perspective. The a320's were definitely quieter and lighter inside due to the shape of the windscreen and relative sizes than the Boeings. The ARJ21's are nice lookers but to me look more Canadair/Bombardier RJ 'clones' than MD's. If I were allowed to have a commercial airliner of my own, on looks I'd choose one of the later MD90 types or stretched DC9. Apart from the 757 I always preferred the MD design looks over Boeing/Airbuses. In other news nine years ago today, I worked this one for the first time, which I had the pleasure of doing on two occasions 😊 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 14/11/2023 at 22:42, Erichill16 said: Looks to me like a pumped up Arado 234 Blitz but the lift engines don’t look like anything I’ve seen before. Anyway something a little more familiar. Me109? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted November 16, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2023 14 hours ago, SHMD said: "Horse on a plane" ? I admit, not as good (sounding) as a "snake on a plane" ... ...but it did result in "dumping fuel" because the plane as too heavy to land (earlier than planned). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67406779 Kev. Edit to add - (earlier than planned). A long time ago, we had a Merchantman inbound declaring a Mayday, one of the races horses on board was going postal and kicking its way out of its stall. They always used to fly with vets on board, still do AFAIK, with instant lethal measures available. Due to the aircraft size, horse location, injuries it caused itself and to prevent the others stampeding it had to be used in flight. It was apparently a very valuable horse and had won several notable steeplechase races and was being prepped for the Grand National. Loading large animals like horses can be a bit of a game too, especially if they are new to it. Where practical transporters and service vehicles make a corrall to pen them in if they get a bit punchy, letting one go in an open space like an airfield would be an interesting retrieval challenge! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted November 16, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, 6990WitherslackHall said: Me109? It says "Airbus" on the side but I am pretty sure it isn't one of those! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickstart Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, 6990WitherslackHall said: Me109? Think a ME109F (or BF109F if you prefer) All the best Katy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erichill16 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Kickstart said: Think a ME109F (or BF109F if you prefer) All the best Katy Its actually a G 2 or is it? https://www.flugmuseum-messerschmitt.com/AIRCRAFT-AND-CREW/Bf-Me-109-G2/index.php 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 16/11/2023 at 19:16, t-b-g said: It says "Airbus" on the side but I am pretty sure it isn't one of those! One of my pet hates is when aerospace companies apply their own moniker to old designs of companies they bought over the years. If they are still in production and being marketed then that's fair enough (I never had an issue with the Boeing 717 for example, despite it being the MD-95) but sometimes you see some really odd attempts to associate a modern name with a heritage aircraft. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, jjb1970 said: I never had an issue with the Boeing 717 for example, despite it being the MD-95 Isn't it really a stretched DC-9? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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