Gordon A Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Hi Folks, I am looking for some more information in relation to my interest in Bitterley yard (Shropshire) and Clee Hill incline. 1) Does any one have any dimensions of the horizontal and vertical rollers set in the 4 foot for either the Cromford & High Peak, Clee Hill or Bowes rope worked inclines, or any other rope worked incline in the UK? I have been told that the rollers used on the Cromford & High Peak and the Clee Hill inclines were the same. 2) Can any one confirm if any rollers still exist at Middleton Top or Cromford that I could measure? Any help appreciated. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Gordon, Pictures in Colin Mountfords book appear to show different horizontal rollers in use on the Clee Hill incline as to that on The C&HP A pic of Clee Hill incline (1909) shows parallel non flanged rollers of approx 6" diameter and I'd estimate between 33" to 39" wide. These a fixed along the sleeper length. Whaley Bridge incline would appear to use deep dished narrow (9") rollers of much larger diameter that require a siting between sleepers or a split sleeper and a pit to run in. I have not come across any dimensions for rollers in the book. Somewhere in the library I have an NCB manual on track laying for haulage systems. That may have some information in it but it is heavily biased towards underground. Sorry that's not much help but if i come across anything I'll let you know. Edit What time period are you talking about? Having just noticed the rollers on this site: http://www.photobydjnorton.com/CleeHillIncline.html Which are different to the rollers in this image. http://www.archive-images.co.uk/index.proxy.php?cmd=image&image_id=595 and taking into account there was a good few different roller types to serve different purposes in the same hill. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted August 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2016 For Cromford & High Peak, try Middleton Top and bottom of Sheep Pasture incline - next to workshop/museum. Rollers were mainly flanged. see A Rimmer's C&HPR book, published by Oakwood. See later photos on this thread http://sutherland.davenportstation.org.uk/ws-116.html Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 Thanks chaps. Porcy - I have copied the pictures off your first link so have them. That ****** photo by A2 winds me up a treat. I cannot find any siding veering off to the left in any plans or photos for Clee Hill or any mention of it. There is a run off siding above the trap point at Bitterley that was controlled from the box. But this siding veered to the right. I wonder if A2 used the negative the wrong way round? I do question if it is in fact Clee Hill? Dava - I am contemplating a day trip up from Bristol just to measure the rollers if any are still in existence. Confirmation would be nice before setting off on a three hour plus drive from Bristol. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Thanks chaps. Porcy - I have copied the pictures off your first link so have them. That ****** photo by A2 winds me up a treat. I cannot find any siding veering off to the left in any plans or photos for Clee Hill or any mention of it. Your right. You made me think twice about it so I went back and had another look at it. I should be shot with sh*t, as should the folk running the Archive Images website. It's nowhere near to Clee Hill. I thought it had a Durham feel about it. Particularly those rollers. Typical NCB. It's the Bowes railway between Kibblesworth and Marley Hill. (Birkheads Incline.) The current view: https://goo.gl/maps/77X3a9Shppu A pic looking further up the incline from the bridge on the horizon in the AI image can be found here: http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=6926&forum_id=43&page=1 The CEM on the image stand for Colin Mountford. A few rollers but I guess not the type you're looking for. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 Thanks Porcy, That photo has been bugging me for a while. You have laid my niggles to rest. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grw184 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Hi Folks, I am looking for some more information in relation to my interest in Bitterley yard (Shropshire) and Clee Hill incline. 1) Does any one have any dimensions of the horizontal and vertical rollers set in the 4 foot for either the Cromford & High Peak, Clee Hill or Bowes rope worked inclines, or any other rope worked incline in the UK? I have been told that the rollers used on the Cromford & High Peak and the Clee Hill inclines were the same. 2) Can any one confirm if any rollers still exist at Middleton Top or Cromford that I could measure? Any help appreciated. Gordon A Gordon Rope-Worked Inclines by Mountford has a good 'looking down the incline' pic. for Clee Hill showing the horizontal rollers in the '4ft that could be scaled - can scan/send if that would help Buckland-Smith's Treatise on Cable or Rope Traction has a bit, including an illustrated page from the Hadfields Steel Foundry showing a range of sheaves/rollers etc but nothing dimensional Let me know if you need a copy of the latter Graham Woodruff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 Thanks for your offer Graham. A scan from the Mountford book could be very useful if you would be so kind. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Gordon, Apologies, I've only just picked up this thread. I have some very faint copies of LNWR Soc drawings of the incline pulleys on the CHPR. Probably too feint to copy again, but I could possibly redraw them in CAD if you're still interested. I have both the straight track pulleys and the special pulleys and frames used on curves. When I built the incline on Middlepeak, I formed the pulleys from a pair of N Gauge wagon wheels turned inwards and mounted on a 1mm dia. axle. The pulley boxes were fabricated from square brass tube with short sections of fine bore tube set into the sides as axle bearings. See MRJ 110 for photos. Please PM if you're interested. Regards, Geraint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 Hello Geraint, Yes please to the drawings. I will also dive back into my MRJ's and have a look at MRJ 110. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Any news on the potential Cromford visit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 Any news on the potential Cromford visit? Hi Paul, Not as yet that has been postponed mainly due to the offer of some drawings from Geraint. Did manage a round trip to the mining museum at Overton on the Bank Holiday to look at old Land Rovers though. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Sheep Pasture incline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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