KNP Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 1 minute ago, John Besley said: Guess they will all need additional buffers beams and buffers along with couplings? They fitted buffers at both ends 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Did they just extend the water tank by cutting out the hopper part of the coal space and plating it over? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 21 minutes ago, Tortuga said: Did they just extend the water tank by cutting out the hopper part of the coal space and plating it over? That’s the assumption I have worked on and is backed up by interpretation of pictures 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, KNP said: That’s the assumption I have worked on and is backed up by interpretation of pictures I know you said there isn't much to gone on but is there anything showing how the weedkiller was applied? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted January 16 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, Winslow Boy said: I know you said there isn't much to gone on but is there anything showing how the weedkiller was applied? There are a few photos on Google showing the train in action 14 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Fair Oak Junction said: There are a few photos on Google showing the train in action Yes, I have this and a few similar pictures. If memory serves this is the Taunton one and that tender colour does not read as green!!! Still puzzling that one. Edited January 16 by KNP 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1466 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, KNP said: Yes, I have this and a few similar pictures. If memory serves this is the Taunton one and that tender colour does not read as green!!! Still puzzling that one. Could it be ( Departmental ) black ?… I ask tentatively . I’m a bit colour blind (so no authority) and I’ve been caught in that dilemma before in when interpreting monochrome photograph replicating black or GWR green ? I have a couple of GWR 20 ton Loco coal wagons which I painted black following Jim Russel’s lead , only to find out that should have been left GWR grey . 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, KNP said: Yes, I have this and a few similar pictures. If memory serves this is the Taunton one and that tender colour does not read as green!!! Still puzzling that one. What's the dome behind the two chaps in the middle? Compressed air tank? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, KNP said: That’s the assumption I have worked on and is backed up by interpretation of pictures Fair enough. Makes sense and a bit of a daft question on my part tbf; I phrased what I was getting at really badly! I was just surprised that the raised sides of the coal space weren’t cut down level with the top of the water tank. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 hours ago, Winslow Boy said: What's the dome behind the two chaps in the middle? Compressed air tank? Possibly an air vessel for the water pump like the smaller one below? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 17 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, MrWolf said: Possibly an air vessel for the water pump like the smaller one below? I don't think it's an air vessel. I think it's a pipe feeding the spray bar - which might not need a pump, just using siphon action. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted January 17 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 17 Express passing time.... ??? 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gedward Posted January 17 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17 ...blink and you'll miss it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponthir28 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 It will probably be there tomorrow. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 9 hours ago, St Enodoc said: I don't think it's an air vessel. I think it's a pipe feeding the spray bar - which might not need a pump, just using siphon action. Looking at other photos of the same train (image search for “GWR weed killing train” on Google, can’t link to relevant photo), there does seem to be a pump with an air vessel like that in @MrWolf’s photo. It’s a fascinating train (definite shades of Heath Robinson) and an interesting use of redundant/spare tenders. I thought weed killing trains were a relatively recent thing, but obviously not. Sadly a quick search for an LMS version (preparatory work for a future project!) turned up just two images and only in one of these are all the vehicles visible. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted January 17 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17 22 minutes ago, Tortuga said: Looking at other photos of the same train (image search for “GWR weed killing train” on Google, can’t link to relevant photo), there does seem to be a pump with an air vessel like that in @MrWolf’s photo. It’s a fascinating train (definite shades of Heath Robinson) and an interesting use of redundant/spare tenders. I thought weed killing trains were a relatively recent thing, but obviously not. Sadly a quick search for an LMS version (preparatory work for a future project!) turned up just two images and only in one of these are all the vehicles visible. Logically there must have been some kind of pump to get the water from the other tenders through to the sprayer. Even the Isle of Wight had it's own weed killing train, made out of a pair of old tank wagons and an antiquated brake van... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted January 17 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 17 (edited) From my research it appears the pump is a single action steam type which was fed from the engines steam heating pipe altered to act as a steam supply feed. The pumps purpose was three fold….to move the chemical concentrate from the storage tank to the tenders, then the mixture to the spray noozle and finally to fetch water from an outside source to refill the tenders if necessary. On the colour situation it was not black l’m afraid as I have a clear picture of Pannier 5727 in green attached to 3 tenders, the chassis of them is black but as a guess I would say the tenders appear grey, then a black chemical wagon, mess wagon (could be based on a Toad) and at the end a normal GW painted Toad. My other thought could it be red oxide paint? Did they use that as a finish? Just finished adding the additional buffers and all quiet in the railway room. Edit. Forgot to add the picture…..!!!!! Edited January 17 by KNP 21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted January 17 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17 It could be freight grey, which is quite dark. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted January 17 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17 So will your weed killing train spray real weed-killer or just plain water? 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 20 minutes ago, Tony Teague said: So will your weed killing train spray real weed-killer or just plain water? Just water I’m afraid as I’m not licensed for anything else….! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I dread to think what the weed killer would have been- Sodium Chlorate? I certainly wouldn't have liked to get any on my skin - no protective gear being worn I notice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Winslow Boy said: I dread to think what the weed killer would have been- Sodium Chlorate? I certainly wouldn't have liked to get any on my skin - no protective gear being worn I notice. Agree I was amazed how lacking in any type of protection or care for their own safety there was. Spray everywhere in the wind and not a goggle in sight. Different era…..!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 31 minutes ago, KNP said: Agree I was amazed how lacking in any type of protection or care for their own safety there was. Spray everywhere in the wind and not a goggle in sight. Different era…..!!! Definitely not. Always remember being told about a weedkiller salesman who used to demonstrate how safe it was by putting his arm in the sprayer tank to stir it. He was selling to farmers so you can imagine how big the tank must have been. Anyway his arm eventually went a nice shade of yellow due to the repeated dipping. As you say different days. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 24 minutes ago, Winslow Boy said: Definitely not. Always remember being told about a weedkiller salesman who used to demonstrate how safe it was by putting his arm in the sprayer tank to stir it. He was selling to farmers so you can imagine how big the tank must have been. Anyway his arm eventually went a nice shade of yellow due to the repeated dipping. As you say different days. Just think what they must have been inhaling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, Winslow Boy said: Definitely not. Always remember being told about a weedkiller salesman who used to demonstrate how safe it was by putting his arm in the sprayer tank to stir it. He was selling to farmers so you can imagine how big the tank must have been. Anyway his arm eventually went a nice shade of yellow due to the repeated dipping. As you say different days. That sounds like good old warm, fluffy, Paraquat. Lovely stuff. Not. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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