JJGraphics Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Just now, Reorte said: No Smarties then? Nope! Any other suggestions? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted September 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 6, 2020 We changed the ancient boiled for a vailient a great saving in tank lpg. Unfortunately an increase in maintenance costs. Overall I'm not sure we are in profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted September 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2020 5 hours ago, BernardTPM said: £150 would last me over 3 months... I iive in Denmark, everything is expensive! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted September 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, JJGraphics said: Nope! Any other suggestions? I do my bit by not ironing my clothes and thus avoid looking smart if that helps! (don't think I've got anything labelled "smart" at home either, although it can smart if I catch my head on a low door). Edited September 6, 2020 by Reorte 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted September 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2020 I must say I'd love to save £150 a month on my utility bills - the £70 they'd be paying me would more than cover the broadband and water bills! 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I wonder how much electricity is used to run all these smart meters advising you of your current usage ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted September 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, duncan said: I wonder how much electricity is used to run all these smart meters advising you of your current usage ? Shouldn't be much to be honest. I'm not keen on them but I don't think that this is a viable objection. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 22 hours ago, duncan said: I wonder how much electricity is used to run all these smart meters advising you of your current usage ? Probably less than the power lost in driving the old ones, and probably less the acceptable error range in meter accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGraphics Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On 08/09/2020 at 13:27, duncan said: I wonder how much electricity is used to run all these smart meters advising you of your current usage ? It some reports it is said that a Smart Meter uses only a small amount of power which is not added to the user's bill, in other reports it is mentioned that Smart Meters use a few pounds worth a year which is added to the bill. So much nonsense has been put out about them that I am left in serious doubt what is actually true. John 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just had a sales call from our electricity supplier trying to get me to sign up to a smart meter - she wouldn't take no for an answer and I ended up hanging up on her... 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) On 09/09/2020 at 15:02, JJGraphics said: It some reports it is said that a Smart Meter uses only a small amount of power which is not added to the user's bill, in other reports it is mentioned that Smart Meters use a few pounds worth a year which is added to the bill. So much nonsense has been put out about them that I am left in serious doubt what is actually true. John I've just looked up a few meters and the ones I could see the power bricks for the display has about 0.15A At 240Vac (that would be maximum not what it actually uses) Which is about 36 Watts which at worst case would give you 0.036p an hour or 0.864 p a day ish or £3.15 a year added to your bill, i would suspect the PSU will be over rated, so I would expect the bill to be around £1:50. There is no way they can differentiate between the electricity being used by the display and the rest being used in your house .. The meter itself may well be using electrcity from the non metered side of the supply.. Edited September 11, 2020 by TheQ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 08/09/2020 at 13:27, duncan said: I wonder how much electricity is used to run all these smart meters advising you of your current usage ? https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-4607552/How... 19/06/2017 · We also spoke to some of the major energy providers and they confirmed that the amount of energy a smart meter used was about 1 kWh of electricity per year which would cost between 70p and £1… I guess that if you used the information a smart meter supplies you would save far more than £1, plus your bills are up to date, no estimates and if using monthly paid budget accounts no large unexpected bills or continuous overpayments., saves time in sending own meter readings etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Important ---- read this https://www.dcusa.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/DCP-371_Last-resort-arrangements-for-Distributors-to-manage-specific-consumer-connected-devices.pdf Also https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills/article-8706033/Smart-meters-used-switch-electricity-without-warning-compensation.html Electric car - in winter - can't charge ??????????????????? Brit15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted September 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2020 Yeah right, 3 seconds to pull the plug/isolate the comms on that one so I can keep my dishwasher going! ...but yes, that's where this is going if you don't want to invest (in generation capability) and you actually "do want" to reduce energy usage. kev. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Trofimow Posted September 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, SHMD said: Yeah right, 3 seconds to pull the plug/isolate the comms on that one so I can keep my dishwasher going kev. Yeah right, I give it 30 seconds before that's made an offence! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted September 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2020 "weren't me gov, must 'ave bad signal coverage"! ..but expect the punitive pricing (big instant time sensitive price changes) to "adjust/influence demand" before cuts are enforced. ...oh, and I just bet that the "cummingses" of this world get a free pass via the hospital/vital* exemption ticket. Kev. *make up list here. (Some, of course, ARE vital!) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 More here https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/modifications/allow-dnos-to-control-electric-vehicle-chargers-connected-to-smart-meter-infrastructure/ Dystopian world ahead. Brit15 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted September 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2020 11 hours ago, Trofimow said: Yeah right, I give it 30 seconds before that's made an offence! In that case they would have to charge (no pun intended) the energy company who installs our smart meter as there is zero signal at our meter box! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, APOLLO said: Dystopian world ahead. Minor increment in the dystopic index. Once universal direct taxation of income is established, dystopia has arrived... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 As I understand it the current smart meters already have the capability of disconnecting you remotely. Easiest way of dealing with non-payment of bills although I believe there are rules about when they are permitted to cut off your supply. No reason why they couldn't design a load-shedding meter that selectively disconnects circuits which are heavier users of power such as electric central heating or electric car chargers, but that probably means a change to your consumer unit too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: As I understand it the current smart meters already have the capability of disconnecting you remotely. Easiest way of dealing with non-payment of bills although I believe there are rules about when they are permitted to cut off your supply. No reason why they couldn't design a load-shedding meter that selectively disconnects circuits which are heavier users of power such as electric central heating or electric car chargers, but that probably means a change to your consumer unit too. I cant see the problem, we live in a semi rural area, surrounded by woods. We have had 6 or 7 power cuts this year, in an area of pockets of sandy soil trees fall over regularly. annoying but part of like In a period of energy issues limiting how much each house uses in times of extremely high demand is better for all the other alternative is periods of total blackouts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted September 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: No reason why they couldn't design a load-shedding meter that selectively disconnects circuits which are heavier users of power such as electric central heating or electric car chargers, but that probably means a change to your consumer unit too. What...and miss out on charging high users pot loads of money.....nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: No reason why they couldn't design a load-shedding meter that selectively disconnects circuits which are heavier users of power such as electric central heating or electric car chargers, but that probably means a change to your consumer unit too. Not disconnect. With vehicle to grid you can sell your car's charge back to the supplier. With the general adoption of CCS as the EV connector of choice this has taken a step back though as no current CCS equipped car can do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, hayfield said: In a period of energy issues limiting how much each house uses in times of extremely high demand is better for all the other alternative is periods of total blackouts When I visited the Peoples Socialist Republic (as it then was) of Romania on business, the Bucharest power supply industry didn't produce enough to meet demand, so whole areas got cut off regularly. However there was a second distribution grid supplying priority users, such as hospitals, the local party offices, trolleybuses and electric trains, business hotels (bad for the image if you keep turning the lights off on international visitors etc). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted September 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2020 46 minutes ago, 30801 said: Not disconnect. With vehicle to grid you can sell your car's charge back to the supplier. With the general adoption of CCS as the EV connector of choice this has taken a step back though as no current CCS equipped car can do it. I wouldn't advise that. Your cars batteries are going to die quick enough without someone else using them too. Every charge / discharge cycle of re-chargeable batteries reduces their capacity by a small percentage. Before you know it, you have lost half your range and they are bl00dy expensive to replace! Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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