centraltrains Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Hello, Wondering if anyone can help me out... I am more of a DMU fan so don't know much about wagons... https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7364/26695245764_b4d2a6e160_b.jpg What is the closest RTR model I can get of the wagon on the back? Obviously I will have to add the skips on separately but I can do that... I have come across this: http://www.hattons.co.uk/59356/Bachmann_Branchline_33_902_45_ton_bogie_well_wagon_in_BR_Departmental_black/StockDetail.aspx (but there is a big gap which this one doesn't have) and this: http://www.hattons.co.uk/233990/Hattons_H4_WW_005_Warwell_wagon_50t_with_diamond_frame_bogies_MODA95534_in_MOD_1970s_olive/StockDetail.aspx (but the slope seems very out) If there isn't anything closer please let me know which you think is closest! Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) ex-GWR Loriot machinery wagon, I think. Not available r-t-r but Cambrian do a kit for a "Chaired Sleeper Wagon" which is fairly close. There's probably an etched or cast kit out there somewhere but I'm not too well up on what's available in that area. John Edited February 9, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Cambrian C4 GWR Sleeper wagon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It is a 4 wheel Lowmac/Flatrol, without doing any research the Cambrian Loriet is probably closest currently available! https://www.cambrianmodelrail.co.uk/store/C48-GWR-Loriot-W-G41-BR-Loriot-D-2-900-D-2-902-Engineers-well-wagon-p93876737 Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 ex-GWR Loriot. Not available r-t-r but Cambrian do a kit for a "Chaired Sleeper Wagon" which is fairly close. There's probably an etched or cast kit out there somewhere but I'm not too well up on what's available in that area. John Hi, Thanks for the reply. Assuming I've found the right link this seems to not have the slope though? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GWR-Loriot-W-G41-BR-D-900-902-Engineers-well-wagon-Cambrian-C48-free-post/281829199424 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Hi, Thanks for the reply. Assuming I've found the right link this seems to not have the slope though? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GWR-Loriot-W-G41-BR-D-900-902-Engineers-well-wagon-Cambrian-C48-free-post/281829199424 That's the one I've been looking for but couldn't find on their website.* The straight bits along the top are removeable bracing struts designed to stop the wagon distorting when heavily loaded. They aren't there on the Tyseley wagon. John * Currently shown as "out of stock" but there is a photo of a completed one without the struts in place. Edited February 9, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WRENN-W4652-BR-GREY-MACHINE-LORIOT-LOWMAC-WAGON-B904631-CARD-INSERT-BLACK-ni-/361852515605 This looks good, but seems a bit ridiculously priced! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 Possibly a GWR Loriot Y? Or a later version. Not quite the same shape as the Chaired Sleeper Wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 its a late build Flatrol MVV - it has roller bearings http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brflatrolmvv Probably lot 3257 for the Engineers. That Wrenn Lowmac should be available for pennies - mass produced and put in Airfix railway sets. Often annoyingly has a wooden crate glued to the deck. There has been a topic on this forum about building an etched kit. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) There are other internal users wagons listed at Tyseley (search for location): http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/wsearch.asp I modelled the ACLG's 998017 using a Cambrian kit with a new floor, I'm not sure which but it looks like the one with more substantial vertical plates as I was able to cut them away at an angle. There are a few things I'd have done differently and it needs repairing as it has sagged... Edited February 11, 2018 by 298 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 There are other internal users wagons listed at Tyseley (search for location): http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/wsearch.asp I modelled the ACLG's 998017 using a Cambrian kit with a new floor, I'm not sure which but it looks like the one with more substantial vertical plates as I was able to cut them away at an angle. There are a few things I'd have done differently and it needs repairing as it has sagged... IMAG3725.jpg Wow, that looks very useful, thanks. Does the kit come with the plastic which curves over the axle aera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Wow, that looks very useful, thanks. Does the kit come with the plastic which curves over the axle aera? That is from planked plasticard, I probably meant to fill the grooves or overlay a thin piece, but never got round to it or needed to paint it quickly. The deck is 30.5mm across, probably measured from the real one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I did mention that this wagon type was a topic earlier ww.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/92817-br-flatrol-mvv-diagram-2512/?hl=flatrol Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 I did mention that this wagon type was a topic earlier ww.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/92817-br-flatrol-mvv-diagram-2512/?hl=flatrol Paul Yes, I did read that post. I found it slightly confusing as the link you posted too seemed to show a different type of wagon to the type suggested, perhaps you were just saying the "best fit RTR" type as I originally asked, but everyone else has been so specific that probably confused me a tad! The wrenn lowmacs certainly seem to sell on ebay for more than pennies. The grey ones (which is what I need unless respray) seem to go for extortionate amounts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave parker Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WRENN-W4652-BR-GREY-MACHINE-LORIOT-LOWMAC-WAGON-B904631-CARD-INSERT-BLACK-ni-/361852515605 This looks good, but seems a bit ridiculously priced! if you look whos selling it on ebay that might account for the stupid price tag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 if you look whos selling it on ebay that might account for the stupid price tag Without looking it begins with 'gos' and ends with 'tude.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) if you look whos selling it on ebay that might account for the stupid price tag The cheapest I have seen from another seller is still £50 which seems ridiculous to me. Edited February 12, 2018 by centraltrains Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Yes, I did read that post. I found it slightly confusing as the link you posted too seemed to show a different type of wagon to the type suggested, perhaps you were just saying the "best fit RTR" type as I originally asked, but everyone else has been so specific that probably confused me a tad! The wrenn lowmacs certainly seem to sell on ebay for more than pennies. The grey ones (which is what I need unless respray) seem to go for extortionate amounts. Sorry, the photo is a Flatrol MVV and the article is about Flatrol MVV. Look at the side with the 45 degree slope - a very characteristic design. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brflatrolmvv http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/deptflatrolmvv There is no way this is a GWR sleeper wagon, Loriot or a Lowmac. The Airfix (not kit) Lowmac has been on sale for many years; Wrenn are just an expensive form of the same thing. There is no RTR fit. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 There is always TS200 (Lowmac) as a stop-gap... http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=14817 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 I have ordered the kit so will see how that goes, no idea how to add couplers to it though... Shouldn't imagine it would be too hard to google how to do that though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Is there a difference between the airfix/wrenn lowmac? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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