gordon s Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Really made me chuckle seeing this on Grand Tour last night. Clarkson had just drag raced a V10 Audi R8 supercar with this Tesla Model X SUV and beaten it, so decided to select 'Celebration Mode' from the in car menu. https://youtu.be/8xLfh6hB5K4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 And there was me thinking it would be about telling them how much better Thunderbirds was... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 I'd love to have a Tesla, terrific cars. Years ago when many petrol heads were whinging that environmental regulations would kill off cars or make them boring white goods I was pretty happy as I was sure that the car industry would make clean drivers cars and Tesla have proven the point. Zero emissions from the car (I appreciate if you look at production and how electricity is made it is not as simple) at the same time as being brutally fast, luxurious and sweet handling. However, I tend to think as autonomous vehicles increase the car as we know it will become a toy for enthusiasts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 A friend who is no stranger to speed and power (holds a motorcycle world speed record at Bonneville with a 600cc, 300hp - yes 300 at the back wheel - bike) had a ride in a Tesla saloon here recently. His response after a 'launch mode' start - 'the petrol vehicle is dead'. Of course charging it here is an issue, and it does nothing like the miles claimed. Hilly here..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Here's another fun one. https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/886776/Tesla-Model-X-drag-race-supercar-towing-trailer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 I find it quite amusing watching the attitude of certain people in green NGOs on the subject of the Tesla as they try to figure out whether they should be positive about them for being pure electric with no emissions, or whether their deep rooted aversion to the concept of cars being fun and their socialist ideological leanings should trump that and lead them to condemn Tesla. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Loved the car, but just one huge drawback. It cost £150,000...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Loved the car, but just one huge drawback. It cost £150,000...... I have enough Polar points to borrow theirs for a week https://polar-network.com/experiences/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzy280472 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Tesla's are pretty cool cars but I would still prefer the R8 , just for the noise . As much as I admire the achievements of the new generation of electric power , I just prefer the ICE and all that goes with it . I suppose I'm just old fashioned !! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 I tried the PHEV version of the BMW 3 Series and that is genuinely fast if you stick it in performance mode. I was sorely tempted but you lose a useful boot because of the space taken by the battery. Given that I serve as a taxi driver for the boy when he goes to ice hockey games etc a car without a big boot isn't much use to me sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Loved the car, but just one huge drawback. It cost £150,000...... It would be interesting to know what the cost of the first truly capable IC cars was relative to income, before the cycles of development produced the Model T and other practical 'everyman' vehicles. Ten years time, electric is fully competitive is my guess. ... I tend to think as autonomous vehicles increase the car as we know it will become a toy for enthusiasts. Hopefully there will be rapid progress on the autonomous vehicle front too. My opinion is that the trunk road network will go 'autonomous only' in time; principally on efficiency grounds because the packing and regulation this makes possible will provide more capacity on the existing route investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 It only takes 5 minutes at most to fill up the Audi but how long does it take to fully charge the Tesla? With running out of lecy in the fast lane a possibility think I'll stick with the wife's Lada ! Allan. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Ten years time, electric is fully competitive is my guess. Secondhand EV prices have increased over the ten months we have had one for. The dealer keeps calling to ask if we'd consider ordering a new Zoe with the larger battery, and have even said they'll buy our current one back at the price we paid. I did some sums and it very nearly works out at free motoring, acknowledging our start-up costs and current secondhand purchase prices being less than the forecourt screen price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 It only takes 5 minutes at most to fill up the Audi but how long does it take to fully charge the Tesla? With running out of lecy in the fast lane a possibility think I'll stick with the wife's Lada ! Allan. Don't know about the Tesla, but there are cars out there that can take an 80% charge in 30mins or so. And unlike an ic car you don't need to stand beside it whilst refuelling, so you can get yourself a quick cup of coffee whilst you take a break from driving, something you should be doing anyway, but the range of an ic car allows you to exceed or skip altogether. At least when an electric car starts getting low on 'fuel' you get reduced performance, so unlike the Lada it won't suddenly cut out in the fast lane, which actually makes it better, unless for some reason you think a Lada can't run out of fuel? Or perhaps unlike the electric car the Lada can't make it to the fast lane... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 It would be interesting to know what the cost of the first truly capable IC cars was relative to income, before the cycles of development produced the Model T and other practical 'everyman' vehicles. Ten years time, electric is fully competitive is my guess. Teslas are expensive because they are are fancy. If you want a capable EV at a reasonable price then a 40kWh Zoe can be had for £16k battery-owned. Then figure in fuel savings. I'm looking at £1,500 a year with the Leaf... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Secondhand EV prices have increased over the ten months we have had one for. I plug my details into We Buy Any Car every now and then. A year ago they would offer £5,500 for the Leaf. Now 15k miles later they are offering £9,000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I plug my details into We Buy Any Car every now and then. A year ago they would offer £5,500 for the Leaf. Now 15k miles later they are offering £9,000 And when you present your car for inspection, they'll probably only offer you four grand. Bunch of shysters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 Tesla's are pretty cool cars but I would still prefer the R8 , just for the noise . As much as I admire the achievements of the new generation of electric power , I just prefer the ICE and all that goes with it . I suppose I'm just old fashioned !! I must admit that for all that I see electric vehicles as the future I will miss the sound of big vee form engines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 Teslas are expensive because they are are fancy. If you want a capable EV at a reasonable price then a 40kWh Zoe can be had for £16k battery-owned. Then figure in fuel savings. I'm looking at £1,500 a year with the Leaf... You aren't buying a Tesla for low cost motoring. Maybe as a lower cost alternative to a Bentley or S Class (particularly for tax reasons in some countries) but rather because if you value zero emissions and want a car that is luxurious, brutally fast and stylish then there isn't much competition yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 At least when an electric car starts getting low on 'fuel' you get reduced performance, so unlike the Lada it won't suddenly cut out in the fast lane, which actually makes it better, unless for some reason you think a Lada can't run out of fuel? Or perhaps unlike the electric car the Lada can't make it to the fast lane... Which explains all those bloomin' Prius drivers i seem to end up following who are determined to get the last little ounce of energy out of the battery and don't mind going up a main road hill at 10mph where the limit is 50 mph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I tried the PHEV version of the BMW 3 Series and that is genuinely fast if you stick it in performance mode. I was sorely tempted but you lose a useful boot because of the space taken by the battery. Given that I serve as a taxi driver for the boy when he goes to ice hockey games etc a car without a big boot isn't much use to me sadly. back seat ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 When you lot get your Teslas I'll take your old Ferraris, Lambos, AMGs et al off your hands. 'Course as it's dinosaur technology wouldn't want to pay too much... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 back seat ? The boot in the 3 PHEV is very height restricted so even if you drop the rear seat back it is not that useful. Using the back seat as a shelf might work at times but if his team plays away my wife and girl like to go for a day out and to watch the game. Even though I drive a saloon, nowadays generally marked down for practicality, the boot is huge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I must admit that for all that I see electric vehicles as the future I will miss the sound of big vee form engines. Don't worry, my 1973 Rover P5B V8 will still be burbling along in twenty plus years time - or as long as petrol is available. I won't argue the pro's & cons of electric cars, but I doubt I'll ever own one - perhaps a hybrid, but all electric - not for me. By the way my wallet gets a dose of "range anxiety" whenever I back the Rover out of the garage !!!! As to Tesla's - good luck. Nice cars, cost a bomb though. If I was loaded I'd have one in a (electronic blue) flash !!!. Brit15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 My opinion is that the trunk road network will go 'autonomous only' in time; principally on efficiency grounds because the packing and regulation this makes possible will provide more capacity on the existing route investment. I think if autonomous vehicles develop as some predict and if we really want to utilise the potential increases in road capacity which could be possible then we will have to go all autonomous as trying to mix autonomous and human driven vehicles would defeat efforts to boost capacity and probably be the biggest safety risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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