bigboyboris Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I very much enjoy the look and feel of this type of wagon and have been thinking one would make an excellent centrepiece of sorts for a layout, but I wonder if it would not be prototypical to run one on a British outline layout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 What era were you looking at? Don't think there are any currently, but there were wagons where the load formed part of the structure. (I had to look up the definition - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schnabel_car will do for now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboyboris Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 Approximately 1980 to the present day is what I was thinking, but I'd be interested in historical examples as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie MB Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The BTF film Measured for Transport shows something like this being used in the early 60s. The film is on YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The Pollen and Conger are the two that spring to mind and the Boiler set could be used similar! Mark Saunders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 As I understand them a key feature of Schnabel wagons is that the load is slung from bracket girders attached to the carrying bogies with the load effectively forming part of the wagon, the bracket girders being directly connected to form a shorter wagon when no load is being carried. Another key feature is the ability to move the load sideways whilst in transit. As Mark Saunders mentions, in the 1980's BR had Girder Wagon, Conger Wagon and Boiler Wagon Sets and there was also the Hot Core Tranporter Wagon MODA9570, although with the possible exception of the Boiler Wagon Set which did not (as far as I know) venture onto the SR in the 1980's none of these operated quite like a Schnabel wagon. For modelling purposes the Hot Core Transporter Wagon with its two support coaches (MODA99150/1 I think) would make an impressive special train and the empty wagon was also moved in normal wagonload services occasionally when going for maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Earlier RMWeb topic on the hot core wagon http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Both the LMS and LNER had early versions of these wagons from the 1930s, when larger power stations started to appear around the UK. There have been a couple of books published with some details of what their operation entailed, this being one:- http://www.nostalgiacollection.com/book.php?isbn=9781857942057 Apart from the 'Hot Core' wagon, I don't think there are any examples in the UK any more. Both SNCF and DB Cargo operate them, via 'arm's length' subsiduaries; the French ones work to Gravelines, near Dunkerque, with items like generator stators. There are some photos on here ( you'll have to scroll down a bit, as I can't work out how to link to individual bits):- https://lapassiondutrain.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Trains%20Speciaux One of the DB websites, which I haven't got the address of here, had quite an interesting piece on these wagons; there are only a small number world-wide, probably less than 50 In the UK, one regular source of such traffic, GEC at Stafford, had modifications made to the main road (the A34) between there and Manchester Docks to accommodate road vehicles carrying their products. Roundabouts had gated 'straight roads' across the middles, whilst at Talke Pits, where the A34 crosses the A500, a separate bridge was built to carry the convoys:- https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0630651,-2.2513991,281m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 In the UK, one regular source of such traffic, GEC at Stafford, had modifications made to the main road (the A34) between there and Manchester Docks to accommodate road vehicles carrying their products. Roundabouts had gated 'straight roads' across the middles, whilst at Talke Pits, where the A34 crosses the A500, a separate bridge was built to carry the convoys:- https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0630651,-2.2513991,281m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en ...... shame they didn't think it necessary to put a bridge across the railway at Hixon ................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted April 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2018 The Bachmann HO model is very well done and suitably imposing. Not cheap but you get an awful lot of model for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted April 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just looked on the modeltrainsstuff website and they have the Bachmann model for $159,that's a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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