RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 I’m looking for photos and info on the HST TLUK lounge car (40513) and the TCSD conductor disabled car (45084). Did the lounge car make it into swallow livery? Did it get used much? If people hired the TLUK did they shunt another coach out, or did they run an extra long HST. Was the TCSD used with a TGS in the train as well, or was it a substitute for It? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 Hi Both quite rare for pics, google search throws up few As far as I can tell the only external change was the legend on the side. Pretty certain never made Swallow as it was exported to Ireland and converted into thr push pull buffet 6102 - almost identical to the WSMR buffet/ kitchen conversions. The office conversion equally rare but a good article on Modern Railways about the conversion - June 1993 and has one external photo of the office side,The HST books also use same photo but otherside seems unchanged from the plan. Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 If people hired the TLUK did they shunt another coach out, or did they run an extra long HST?I only saw 40513 in use on a couple of occasions on the WR. Each time it had been added to an existing set between the first TF and the power car to create an extra long HST. There is more information in posts 14105 and 14106 on Dave F's Photo thread, including the official operating instructions for the Executive Saloon: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85326-dave-fs-photos-ongoing-more-added-15th-september/?p=3293553 David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) On 16/09/2018 at 01:46, nightstar.train said: I’m looking for photos and info on the HST TLUK lounge car (40513) and the TCSD conductor disabled car (45084). Did the lounge car make it into swallow livery? Did it get used much? If people hired the TLUK did they shunt another coach out, or did they run an extra long HST. The lounge car was in Swallow livery from 1988. A photo can be seen here: https://80srail.zenfolio.com/p746052712/e163870e8 with the revised branding and smaller numbers. Note that it no longer says "InterCity Executive Saloon" just "INTERCITY" like other swallow coaches. It was added to a normal HST to make 9 cars. https://www.flickr.com/photos/taysider64/15637766670/sizes/l Note that this is the original livery with InterCity Executive Saloon and the grey upper band extended up onto the roof. Edited April 4, 2022 by Flood 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted September 16, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 Thanks both, that’s all very useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted September 16, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 The lounge car was in Swallow livery from 1988. A photo can be seen here: https://80srail.zenfolio.com/p746052712/e163870e8 with the revised branding and smaller numbers. Note that it no longer says "InterCity Executive Saloon" just "INTERCITY" like other swallow coaches. It was added to a normal HST to make 9 cars. Apologies for not being able to identify the source of the photo below, as soon as I can I will credit it. TLUK Tay Bridge South 29 August 1985.jpg Note that this is the original livery with InterCity Executive Saloon and the grey upper band extended up onto the roof. It’s interesting that it didn’t have a coloured stripe, despite it being a catering vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Strictly speaking it was no longer a catering vehicle, it was an on-hire special. Therefore Travellers Fare staff didn't need to look for it when relieving shifts and the public didn't need to know about it either. I would have thought that the party involved in hiring the vehicle would have been specially guiding to it at the start of their journey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Regarding the external appearance it was exactly the same as a TRUK (TRFK) apart from the fact it had its own toilet. This meant it had a toilet window on the kitchen side of the vehicle which the TRUK didn't. Incidentally, this was exactly the same arrangement as the prototype RUK (10100, 40500) and proves that the vehicle in the photo on Dave Fs page is a TRFK (along with the date) and not the TLUK. Below is my Lima body shell still awaiting painting after two years: Edited April 4, 2022 by Flood 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted September 16, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 Nice work on the TLUK Flood. Will it ever make its way up to Aberdeen? I absolutely love your layout BTW. It’s one of my favourites, spent ages in front of it last time I saw it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Commoner Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 The lounge car was in Swallow livery from 1988. A photo can be seen here: https://80srail.zenfolio.com/p746052712/e163870e8 with the revised branding and smaller numbers. Note that it no longer says "InterCity Executive Saloon" just "INTERCITY" like other swallow coaches. It was added to a normal HST to make 9 cars. https://www.flickr.com/photos/taysider64/15637766670/sizes/l TLUK Tay Bridge South 29 August 1985.jpg Note that this is the original livery with InterCity Executive Saloon and the grey upper band extended up onto the roof. Here's 40513 while still carrying the original Inter-City Executive Saloon Branding. Reading 20.03.87 in Set 34 working the 15.00 Paddington-Swansea. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 That's a really useful photo. I thought that the extended upper grey was removed later on and your photo proves this, exactly how I aim to finish mine (one day). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 Also notice how it's been marshalled the other way round, with the saloon nearest the power car. Earlier photos and the working instruction had the kitchen end to the PC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 45084 was moved around a bit when completed but settled into a set with the other prototype 41178. It seems to located between the TRSB and the rest of steerage, without a TGS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Commoner Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2018 Also notice how it's been marshalled the other way round, with the saloon nearest the power car. Earlier photos and the working instruction had the kitchen end to the PC. Yes, possibly a positioning move and perhaps not in use on 20.03.87, but can confirm it was on the next shot, with the saloon marhsalled next to the power car.. Hired by the English China Clay corporation to convey a delegation to Parliament on 04.03.87, formed in Set 28 with power cars 43138/017 passing West Ealing on the 05.07 Penzance-Paddington. It worked down on the previous night's Golden Hind. It was extremely unusual to find a 2+9 HST formation on the Western Region in those days and to get the photo it required an early start. Sadly the weather wasn't conducive, and it's not a great shot. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Also notice how it's been marshalled the other way round, with the saloon nearest the power car. Earlier photos and the working instruction had the kitchen end to the PC. It may not have been the right way round when it arrived from Bounds Green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) It may not have been the right way round when it arrived from Bounds Green. There is a couple of photos on Flickr showing the TLUK with converter coaches being turned on a loop using a 47 in 1986 but this may not have been done every time. https://www.flickr.com/photos/frinton/38869274895/in/photolist-rRCRKy-22dKcgH-22dKceZ https://www.flickr.com/photos/frinton/38869274995/in/photolist-rRCRKy-22dKcgH-22dKceZ Edited September 16, 2018 by Flood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted September 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2018 It may not have been the right way round when it arrived from Bounds Green. No excuse. Turntable and Greenford loop both available..... Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Pretty certain never made Swallow as it was exported to Ireland and converted into thr push pull buffet 6102 - almost identical to the WSMR buffet/ kitchen conversions. I believe that IÉ obtained what became 6102 from GNER in 2004, it being converted to a buffet (branded Café Bar), for use in a Waterford line Mk3 push-pull set. It is entirely possible it didn't receive Swallow, but I would've thought it would have as if it remained in the UK until 2004, unless I've got my dates wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 ...It is entirely possible it didn't receive Swallow, but I would've thought it would have as if it remained in the UK until 2004, unless I've got my dates wrong. See post #4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I believe that IÉ obtained what became 6102 from GNER in 2004, it being converted to a buffet (branded Café Bar), for use in a Waterford line Mk3 push-pull set. It is entirely possible it didn't receive Swallow, but I would've thought it would have as if it remained in the UK until 2004, unless I've got my dates wrong. Someone's finger's slipped here : No.6102 was a purpose-built Driving Trailer - the former Saloon in question became 6402 : I have a couple of slides of it at Kildare in 2008 but I've no idea how much longer it survived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Someone's finger's slipped here : No.6102 was a purpose-built Driving Trailer - the former Saloon in question became 6402 : I have a couple of slides of it at Kildare in 2008 but I've no idea how much longer it survived. Indeed, I seem to have copied the typo, time of night and all . 6101-05 were the Driving Brake Generator Standard Mk3 Push-pull Control Cars, 6402 was the unique push-pull buffet. 6105 and 6402 are both preserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 See post #4 Forgive me, I can't believe I missed that! I even remember seeing the photograph. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) Reviving an old thread... I don't normally post part finished items on here but I am really pleased how this one has worked out. I'm hoping for an email reply from Railtec some time over the next week for the transfers. After waiting over 2 years the paint job went on remarkably well. Edited April 4, 2022 by Flood 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted March 17, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2019 That looks lovely flood. How do you do the window frames? That’s always the bit I struggle with. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, nightstar.train said: That looks lovely flood. How do you do the window frames? That’s always the bit I struggle with. A good quality 00 size brush and good condition silver paint on top of the original Lima mouldings. Plus: 1. The confidence to try (whatever the outcome) 2. Complete immersion in the job with absolutely no distractions 3. The acceptance that you may need to use a cotton bud and turps to remove an attempt in order to try again These three are probably more important than the brush and paint. If you get the chance to try then do, you might surprise yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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