Pillar Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Can anyone identify the two tank wagons nearest the loco in the pictures attached? The caption states that the train comprises 'two empty nitric acid tanks from Sellafield to Ince & Elton' and four other empty tank wagons. I haven't found anything so far on the usual websites (Paul Bartlett etc.). Thanks Liam Edited December 21, 2018 by Pillar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 yet googling 'paul bartlett bogie nitric acid' and switching to 'images' gave me this as the second hit https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtbogietank2/h1EFF6A69#h1eff6a69 Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 yet googling 'paul bartlett bogie nitric acid' and switching to 'images' gave me this as the second hit https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtbogietank2/h1EFF6A69#h1eff6a69 Jon Not easy to find as the scans date from the days when a file title was 8 characters! https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtbogietank2/ea2601c6 and others in https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtbogietank2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 or a slightly better view from Huw Millington https://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2043865389/in/album-72157603195747980/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I thought the Nitric Acid tank cars were painted white, with an orange band on them. looking at the main photo, cars 3 & 4 seem to be remarkably clean for tank cars, and given the nature of some acids, could they have been marshalled in the middle of the rake so that there were some barrier wagons protecting them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I thought the Nitric Acid tank cars were painted white, with an orange band on them. looking at the main photo, cars 3 & 4 seem to be remarkably clean for tank cars, and given the nature of some acids, could they have been marshalled in the middle of the rake so that there were some barrier wagons protecting them? White with orange band is for pressurised gases, such as Oxygen and Ammonia. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 The view of the train presumably dates from the post-Speedlink era, when the Chemicals and Industrial Minerals people ran all sorts of trains to try and retain at least some of the business. I'd guess the tanks came from Sellafield and Albright and Wilson's Corkickle plant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixM Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Seem to be the same class of tank wagons in this picture. 20187 Warrington Bank Quay 26/06/86 by Rudolf_Diesel_V16, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazjones1711 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 The tankers are numbered BRT 84183 - BRT 84192 classed as nitric acid tanks , originally in UKF livery , some were later rebranded to Hays for sulphuric acid ( my list shows BRT 84184 , 185 , 192 were in this traffic ) I think the nitric acid was between Ince and Elton to Sellafield For those interested Paul Rolley does an O gauge model of them 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted December 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2018 I thought the Nitric Acid tank cars were painted white, with an orange band on them. looking at the main photo, cars 3 & 4 seem to be remarkably clean for tank cars, and given the nature of some acids, could they have been marshalled in the middle of the rake so that there were some barrier wagons protecting them? They four wheeled tanks were probably all caustic soda empties but two different wagon diagram types/batches, all 51t but with differing suspension and barrel diameters. Paul Shannon shows inbound to Sellafield Nitric acid from Ince and Caustic Soda from Ellesmere Port in his 'Wagonload' book. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) GE had some stainless tanks in Nitric Service from Middlesbrough to Sellafield. PITA. The tanks had dry link couplings for discharge plus vapour recovery when filling. No special paint job. Edited December 22, 2018 by The Bigbee Line 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
70b Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 The tankers are numbered BRT 84183 - BRT 84192 classed as nitric acid tanks , originally in UKF livery , some were later rebranded to Hays for sulphuric acid ( my list shows BRT 84184 , 185 , 192 were in this traffic ) I think the nitric acid was between Ince and Elton to Sellafield For those interested Paul Rolley does an O gauge model of them 36566536_10156614108665159_5617270838903439360_n.jpg I've never come across this suppliers name before, google hasn't found anything, could I ask if you have contact details or a web link please thanks, I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I've never come across this suppliers name before, google hasn't found anything, could I ask if you have contact details or a web link please thanks, I. I'm not sure if Paul is selling these or not- I know he's done the tank, and a a selection of scrap-carriers for his new 0-gauge layout. He posts on here as Naturol, so you could try sending a PM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazjones1711 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Some of Paul Rolley's O gauge wagons http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/133053-modern-scrap-wagons/?view=findpost&p=3119258 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillar Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Just to follow up on this thread; there are detailed 4mm scale drawings of this wagon in 'Railway Wagon Plans - 1960s to the Present' by John L. Fox. ISBN 978-0711038431. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6775 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) Just received one of Paul's new batch of these tanks to build so if there are anymore pictures out there anyone knows of I would appreciate them, Glad I have stumbled on this thread! Edited October 12, 2020 by D6775 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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