Porcy Mane Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 5' 20' and on into this clip shows a similar type of hoist in use in 1950's Sheffield. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duoq7esgf5s&t=15s Old maps has basic track plans for 1890 at 1:500 & 1960 at 1:1,250. You will need to switch print extent off and scroll out to view the map. https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/414281/416933/13/101329 P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hi Paul That's a very interesting video, sadly it doesn't shed any light on how the lift works. I have a couple of maps of the site but the layout I'm planning is freelance so although the shed and lift are to be part of it, the trackplan bears no resemblance to the original Huddersfield goods yard trackplan. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hi Paul That's a very interesting video, sadly it doesn't shed any light on how the lift works. I have a couple of maps of the site but the layout I'm planning is freelance so although the shed and lift are to be part of it, the trackplan bears no resemblance to the original Huddersfield goods yard trackplan. Ian Is it possible that the platform carrying the tracks was raised by a centrally-located piston? I have seen hydraulic lifts in buildings that work like that. Given the height to which the platform would be lifted, then a multi-staged ram would be required. The other possibility could be a wire and drum arrangement lifting from above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2017 Is it possible that the platform carrying the tracks was raised by a centrally-located piston? I have seen hydraulic lifts in buildings that work like that. Given the height to which the platform would be lifted, then a multi-staged ram would be required. The other possibility could be a wire and drum arrangement lifting from above. Hi Brian As mentioned earlier in the thread, the lift was hydraulically (water) operated and as the shed has no cellars or underground facilities that I am aware of I also think that the lift was a multi stage cylinder. A single cylinder needing to lift the platform by 26 feet would in my opinion be a difficult prospect so the multi stage is the only sensible and logical answer. I just need to know what it looked like when lifted so I can model it reasonably accurately. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hi Brian As mentioned earlier in the thread, the lift was hydraulically (water) operated and as the shed has no cellars or underground facilities that I am aware of I also think that the lift was a multi stage cylinder. A single cylinder needing to lift the platform by 26 feet would in my opinion be a difficult prospect so the multi stage is the only sensible and logical answer. I just need to know what it looked like when lifted so I can model it reasonably accurately. Ian It would have had to be some sort of 'telescope' arrangement; you would need some sort of space below gound to mount main cylinder in, though it wouldn't need to be much bigger than the cylinder's outside diameter, and some space for access. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Ian, Coming from the North East (as we do) and knowing of a certain Mr Armstrong that had quite a lot to do with hydraulics (Remember the Hydraulic Crane pub that backed onto Armstrong works?) I googled "Armstrong Hydraulic Hoist". Didn't come up with much but it got me into thinking they might hold something within Tyne & Wear Archives service at Blandford House? Looks like an Armstrong Crane in use on the BTC film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Coming from the North East (as we do) and knowing of a certain Mr Armstrong that had quite a lot to do with hydraulics (Remember the Hydraulic Crane pub that backed onto Armstrong works?) I googled "Armstrong Hydraulic Hoist". Didn't come up with much but it got me into thinking they might hold something within Tyne & Wear Archives service at Blandford House? Looks like an Armstrong Crane in use on the BTC film. Armstrong certainly built hydraulic cranes and coal hoists, so I can imagine that wagon lifts came within his scope. St Pancras had a number of lifts serving the below-platform vaults- I wonder if anything was found there when it was being rebuilt? I had a bit of a look at Google, but the only illustrations I could find were of ones for road vehicles. They did make me wonder, however, if some sort of scissors-jack might have been used, which would have reduced the need for a long stroke on the piston, or for telescoping on the high-pressure systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2017 According to the book I have which was published as a joint effort by the L&Y and LNWR societies in 1996 the lift was manufactured at the LNWR Works in Derby around 1885. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Maybe the Drawing Service of the L & Y Society has something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2017 Maybe the Drawing Service of the L & Y Society has something? That's what I was hoping for, that either a member of the L&Y or LNWR societies could find out for me. As I said, it was made by the LNWR so that is the most likely source for a drawing or photograph. I would be quite happy to join the relevant society to get the information, but I don't really want to join both on the off chance I might find the information. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2017 According to the book I have which was published as a joint effort by the L&Y and LNWR societies in 1996 the lift was manufactured at the LNWR Works in Derby around 1885. Ian I thought the works in Derby were the Midland Counties/Birmingham and Derby/North Midland railway companies, soon to become the Midland Railway? Was there another works in Derby? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2017 I thought the works in Derby were the Midland Counties/Birmingham and Derby/North Midland railway companies, soon to become the Midland Railway? Was there another works in Derby? Mike. Hi Mike, How is Sunny Spain treating you? I've just checked the book again and it was Crewe not Derby where it was made. Another Senior moment on my part !!!!!! Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexAshton Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Hi Paul That's a very interesting video, sadly it doesn't shed any light on how the lift works. I have a couple of maps of the site but the layout I'm planning is freelance so although the shed and lift are to be part of it, the trackplan bears no resemblance to the original Huddersfield goods yard trackplan. Ian It does at least show what the table may have looked like - Old Airfix girder bridge maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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