rob D2 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Hi, Anybody know what the origin of this van is ? Would be a good project to go with the new hattons crane.guesses so far are CCT, fruit D and one of the VBA , VAA group. Not my photo , taken from Flickr rights rest with photographer , who I attempted to contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 5, 2019 Looking at the suspension, I'd say it definitely started off as an air braked vehicle but it could be converted from a van or a complete rebody on a recycled underframe. It looks a bit short/wide/low compared to a normal freight van, but that could be down to what lens the photographer used to take the photo. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferrymotorcarvan http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=9001 Is it one of these? Couldn't think of what it was called. Regards Guy Edited July 5, 2019 by balders Further link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Its an ex ferry CCT with the ends plated up and the bodysides modified. Quite probably DB889022. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Does that say "STAFT" ? .... or am I being DAFT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Wickham Green said: Does that say "STAFT" ? .... or am I being DAFT ? Probably better to sat 'Staff' than to say 'Mess' - it is presumably a staff/mess van (or use on site rather than travelling purposes I would have thought?). There does seem to be some telephoto distortion in the picture as Reading panel building in the background does look a bit out of proportion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 Ok , I think you good folks have got it . a ferry cct motorvan. never heard of it - Is the chassis same as a regular cct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 That used to be at Llangollen. Now at Dartmoor. Some details here. Some of which is incorrect as it was altered before preservation. https://www.dartmoor-railway-sa.org/sFerry Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted July 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, rob D2 said: Ok , I think you good folks have got it . a ferry cct motorvan. never heard of it - Is the chassis same as a regular cct Nope - shorter. In fact, the van in question could alternatively be the prototype CCT (BR Diagram 815), which was shorter than the production CCTs (BR Diagram 816). The ferry CCTs (BR Diagram 1/092), however, were built to the same dimensions as the prototype CCT. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited July 5, 2019 by cctransuk 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted July 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, cctransuk said: Nope - shorter. In fact, the van in question could alternatively be the prototype CCT (BR Diagram 815), which was shorter than the production CCTs (BR Diagram 816). The ferry CCTs (BR Diagram 1/092), however, were built to the same dimensions as the prototype CCT. Regards, John Isherwood. Correction - NOT the prototype CCT - that did not have Continental fittings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, rob D2 said: Ok , I think you good folks have got it . a ferry cct motorvan. never heard of it - Is the chassis same as a regular cct It's shorter. Wheelbase 6096 mm vice 7162 Overall length 9286 mm vice 11277 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: That used to be at Llangollen. Now at Dartmoor. Some details here. Some of which is incorrect as it was altered before preservation. https://www.dartmoor-railway-sa.org/sFerry Jason Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 One of these, heavily modified. Paul J. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 Chassis anything like this ? I’m thinking of ways to make this happen within my short attention span.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, rob D2 said: Chassis anything like this ? I’m thinking of ways to make this happen within my short attention span.... Too long, too high in the roof and look at the suspension on the van in the photo. If you are a "hacker" rather than a "scratcher" the easy/cheap starting point for the body is a Lima BR CCT. Chassis is a bit outside my comfort zone, though there's probably something more modern and unfamiliar (to me) that could form a basis. Most likely something from the Cambrian Kits range. John Edited July 6, 2019 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 15 hours ago, rob D2 said: Ok , I think you good folks have got it . a ferry cct motorvan. never heard of it - Is the chassis same as a regular cct 15 hours ago, cctransuk said: Nope - shorter. In fact, the van in question could alternatively be the prototype CCT (BR Diagram 815), which was shorter than the production CCTs (BR Diagram 816). The ferry CCTs (BR Diagram 1/092), however, were built to the same dimensions as the prototype CCT. Regards, John Isherwood. The van is fitted with UIC Double Link suspension - you may find something appropriate from a TTA Tank Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Screenshot. Courtesy of departmentals.com It is 889022. This was taken in 1999. Under frame detail isn't brilliantly clear Regards Guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I build one of these many years ago from an MTK kit, and started a couple more. They need more work with the chassis extra changes and since UIC buffers were available. The Lima CCT would be a good starting point now. Cheers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, rob D2 said: Chassis anything like this ? I’m thinking of ways to make this happen within my short attention span.... If you're not overly fussed, how about doing one of the Mk.1 CCTs that were similarly liveried and used for the same purpose? http://www.departmentals.com/photo/977019-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: Too long, too high in the roof and look at the suspension on the van in the photo. If you are a "hacker" rather than a "scratcher" the easy/cheap starting point for the body is a Lima BR CCT. Chassis is a bit outside my comfort zone, though there's probably something more modern and unfamiliar (to me) that could form a basis. Most likely something from the Cambrian Kits range. John So other than being too high, long and having wrong suspension, is it a goer ?!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Simon Bendall said: If you're not overly fussed, how about doing one of the Mk.1 CCTs that were similarly liveried and used for the same purpose? http://www.departmentals.com/photo/977019-2 Ah, now you are talking....easier modelling for the lazy Rob. I’d picked up on the other one as I’m modelling WR and that one was seen around reading, however as my plank will be based possibly not far from Weymouth , one from Yeovil junction will do nicely. ive already ordered parkside kits for this...to cover my earlier period with the same crane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Probably showing my age, but I remember Dibber 25, of this parish, modelling a Plasser & Theurer crane and its support vehicles in Model Railway Constructor. The support vehicles were a GWR-design Fruit D (very like your photo) and 22t Tube wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2019 Talking of ferry CCTs I was on the south Devon railway a few months ago and was looking at the two with BSI couplers for moving the 151s and prototype 150s and gold braid encrusted stationmaster or something (these people are never porters or the like) telling this young family how it was used to couple British steam engines to German ones !!! I did politely point out he was completely wrong but got a bit shirty and refused to be corrected 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: Probably showing my age, but I remember Dibber 25, of this parish, modelling a Plasser & Theurer crane and its support vehicles in Model Railway Constructor. The support vehicles were a GWR-design Fruit D (very like your photo) and 22t Tube wagon. I think that was an early issue of Model Rail about 1999. Unless he had done it previously and then revisited it. Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: I think that was an early issue of Model Rail about 1999. Unless he had done it previously and then revisited it. Jason Definitely in either a 1980s MRC, or one of the MRC 'Annuals', which had some very useful features on wagons by the usual suspects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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