Thane of Fife Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Good morning all from a damp Surrey, I suspect, like many other modellers, that there are many building rakes of ex-NER P7 20T hoppers being built. I have a rake under construction in instalments, as it’s soul destroying bending and fitting the handrails. I am looking for a little variety in the models. Tatlow shows several with end brake levers, and mentions that these were for the Central Division (ex-S&D). I am wondering if these end brake examples found their way into trains of side brake hoppers, or were they kept to trains of wholly end braked hoppers? Thane of Fife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Apart from braking variations within the P7 diagram - and I'd guess that the operators considered them interchangeable if they were classified in one diagram- there are many later diagrams in the NER diagram-book. The numbers go up to P22 IIRC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I would expect that they were retained/segregated for use to certain collieries where the end brake was required! The BR built Iron Ore hoppers had end brakes and there is never an answer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The commonsense thought would be that unless they were all on fixed circuits, mine to staithes or major industrial customer; then a proportion of this design would have 'dispersed' to wherever their discharge point might be, mixed with whatever other wagons were on that route, and likewise then be worked back empty in 'mixed company' to whatever marshalling yard organised their dispatch for loading at the pits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Another P7 variant is outside W-irons - D&S used to do these in etched brass and Slaters similarly used to do the end mounted brake gear as an after-market etch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, CKPR said: Another P7 variant is outside W-irons - D&S used to do these in etched brass and Slaters similarly used to do the end mounted brake gear as an after-market etch. Slaters used to do an etch with both types of brake levers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Wizard do a NER detail etch with the brake gear thereon. Portchullin Tatty does a etch for the outside w irons . https://miscellanymodels.com/ Rumney Models may have them as well. Edited February 18, 2020 by micklner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Fife Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 Thanks for all the replies. Thane of fife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2020 There's also the variant with a bottom end plank removed between the end pillars for the better attachment of incline ropes - North Eastern Record Vol. 2 plate 2.38, ND No. 78778 built Aug 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted February 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2020 And the ones with low friction bearings. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Thane of Fife, The etch I do allows the following variants: - outside W irons - anti friction wheels - end brakes - side brakes (improved from the Slaters kit) The antifriction gear was not a success, so might not have made it to the LNER era and the outside W irons were also eliminated from use relatively early. There was certainly some mixing of stock and as you say, a whole rake of the same will be abit boring. These are the blog posts I have done on the ones I have built. https://highlandmiscellany.com/2014/12/29/ner-hoppers/ https://highlandmiscellany.com/2015/01/02/ner-hoppers-part-2-liveries/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 The NER did experiment with different types of bottom doors as well though these were the same design as the P7 they were given different diagram numbers in both the P and U sections of the diagram book. The NERA can supply copies of the diagram book. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel newling Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Will the "Instructions – to be uploaded soon" for the Dia P7 Detailing Pack ever actually get uploaded? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 On 18/02/2020 at 11:26, Thane of Fife said: Good morning all from a damp Surrey, I suspect, like many other modellers, that there are many building rakes of ex-NER P7 20T hoppers being built. I have a rake under construction in instalments, as it’s soul destroying bending and fitting the handrails. I am looking for a little variety in the models. Tatlow shows several with end brake levers, and mentions that these were for the Central Division (ex-S&D). I am wondering if these end brake examples found their way into trains of side brake hoppers, or were they kept to trains of wholly end braked hoppers? Thane of Fife In BR days they were quite widely distributed, you get them in coke trains to the Cumbrian blast furnaces and working in and out of the County Durham collieries and mixed into the normal P7s doing the rounds of the Teesside ironworks...so mix and match your hearts content! You can waste hours of your life looking for them... https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EAW038879 One of each at Tanfield... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, G567281 said: EE Type 3’s hauled mixed rake trains containing P7 hoppers in the early 60’s through Thornaby station into Tees yard and you would see a lot in the yards at ICI Billingham. Ref: BRM booklet on headcodes many years ago by John Emerson. There is a photo in Transport Age of ICI Haverton Hill (Billingham) showing a view of the yard with these in ICI internal use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Islesy Posted October 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 02/03/2020 at 04:08, G567281 said: EE Type 3’s hauled mixed rake trains containing P7 hoppers in the early 60’s through Thornaby station into Tees yard and you would see a lot in the yards at ICI Billingham. Ref: BRM booklet on headcodes many years ago by John Emerson. Now that’s a photo I’d like to see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Tank Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Hi some P7 hopper I am making 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coal Tank Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 The next two have new floors as the one supplied with the kit is I think incorrect John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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