Ark Royal Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 Mark, Your redone roofs are looking very good. One small point is where the water fillers meet in the centre of the DT roof, there should be a union where the water goes into the tank. See plan below. Cheers. Hi Lyddrail, Are you trying to book me into a padded cell? I knew i should have asked if anyone had more detail shots of the toilet filler pipework on the DTCL. I used this photo downloaded from the internet. Using my mathematical analyzer I ascertained that there were 4 vents to the bend in the pipework. Zooming in on the bend the photo lost all clarity and therefore I assumed it was a vent behind the pipework .......Dooooh!!!!! I did attempt to bend this at an acute angle to form more of an apex in the wire, however the shell vent interfered with the route and made the other bends out of place. Hence the poetic license that came into play along with "no-one will know the difference" theory apart from me........How wrong I was. I now see that the shell vent in question is in fact the water pipe union as you describe it and that if the shell vent is removed the route seems clear. I will now have a few restless nights whilst I ponder the "Do I do it again"? Do you have more in the way of drawing or photos that may aid me ? Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 Hi Mark, The roof detail is looking very good. Much more robust than my similar attempts in plastic! All the best, Colin Not so sure about robust Colin. The stems are glued into 0.5mm holes however they are still very delicate and sadly easy to bend over given the flexibility of the guitar strings. Hope the layouts coming along nicely Mark Re your electrical connections between coaches. How about this. Use a bar coupling made from a strip of copper clad. Etch the copper to form 4 strips and solder wire on each end for connections. Use the centre spung buffer as another connection, the buffer head rubbing against a rubbing plate formed of copperclad. Might work! Dave. Hi Dave, Kinda given up on "jumping" the power from one coach too another...too many variables involved. Unfortunately the 3H and D's never had any buffers between coaches just the rubbing plate and this will be sprung loaded so no gaurantee of it remaining in contact with its counterpart and/or one circuit rubbing against the wrong circuit. Me thinks it may be easier to bite the bullet with cost and come up with someway of hiding the decoders externally on the DTCL and TS. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 Decided to tackle the Radiator Grille on the DMBS. This i feel is something that the model is let down by direct from manufacture. The Original As Purchased Modified Still some fettling needed Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Hi Lyddrail, Are you trying to book me into a padded cell? I knew i should have asked if anyone had more detail shots of the toilet filler pipework on the DTCL. I used this photo downloaded from the internet. Using my mathematical analyzer I ascertained that there were 4 vents to the bend in the pipework. Zooming in on the bend the photo lost all clarity and therefore I assumed it was a vent behind the pipework .......Dooooh!!!!! I did attempt to bend this at an acute angle to form more of an apex in the wire, however the shell vent interfered with the route and made the other bends out of place. Hence the poetic license that came into play along with "no-one will know the difference" theory apart from me........How wrong I was. I now see that the shell vent in question is in fact the water pipe union as you describe it and that if the shell vent is removed the route seems clear. I will now have a few restless nights whilst I ponder the "Do I do it again"? Do you have more in the way of drawing or photos that may aid me ? Mark Hi Mark. You can have the full size image of this if it helps. Just mail me. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Just found another. Hope they help Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 Hi Dave, Thanks for posting the photos, they certainly will come in handy. I had decided that with no real photograph showing the toilet water pipe connection that I'd probably leave my pipework but now I have one that may change my mind. I'd picked up from my photo the four (actually there's 5 on your more detailed) "U" shaped overflow pipes but this would not fit with my interpretation so that may also help me make my mind up Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Hi Dave, Thanks for posting the photos, they certainly will come in handy. I had decided that with no real photograph showing the toilet water pipe connection that I'd probably leave my pipework but now I have one that may change my mind. I'd picked up from my photo the four (actually there's 5 on your more detailed) "U" shaped overflow pipes but this would not fit with my interpretation so that may also help me make my mind up Mark Mark. I may have others. If you are still short, let me know. Now, not wishing to teach you to suck eggs, but you will notice that the 'welds' across the roof are of two differing sizes (except round the guards van) so these will help place the roof items in the right location. The narrow panels coincide with passenger doors, and the wide ones with compartments. I have underframe photos as well if needed. I love the seat etch as well. Best of luck Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Mark, Dave has beaten me to it, his pics are better than mine. My sketch was formed from pics from many sources. Keep up the good work. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re-work of DTCL Roof Toilet Pipework My Thanks 1st to Dave for posting a far superior photograph of the DTCL toilet pipework. Following this post and after sum contemplation of what cosmetic work would be needed to re-route this to follow a more prototypical route I decided to take on the challenge. Although I must confess half heart-idly as following the point made regarding the roof welds I should really have re-located a lot of the brackets but decided this was a step too far. The DC Kits roof does not come with the weld lines on. I had experimented with 0.5mm lining tape with some sucess but unfortunately couldn't find any thinner tape so the idea was abandoned. That is unless someone can point me in the right direction? I hope you don't mind Dave but I've re-posted your excellent picture to save RM-Webbers from having to find the original The Prototype The Original Attempt The Re-work Attempt I glad now that I did re-work this pipework as it has freed up enough space to replicate the 5 overflow pipes. Mark Oh PS: In the original photograph there appears to be some kind of switching device on top of the toilet valve. If anyone has a clearer photo of the valve that would be much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted March 6, 2011 They Say A Change Is As Good As A Rest Decided to have a break from the upper part of the 3H as the weather was not to clever for spraying the interiors. I turned my attention to the underframe detailing. The kit comes with etches to make these up, however apart from lack a bit of detail and them not producing 3D stowages, the main reason for re-making them was some of the shapes of these items are well off track. As I have a few of these models to make I have dabbled into the plastic casting "game", thus only having to produce one "good" rendition of each item before making a mold. Unfortunately, most of the ones I made today are already in the molds so I have only one to show which I remembered before making a mold of it. I will post the results when they have been cast in plastic.....hope it works!!!!! The main reason for posting today however is to ask for any photos or diagrams of 3H that show the layout be it partial or full of the underframe detail. I have ample of a 3D but few of a 3H. Not wanting to fall into the same trap.....re: roof conduit. Thanks In Advance Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 The main reason for posting today however is to ask for any photos or diagrams of 3H that show the layout be it partial or full of the underframe detail. I have ample of a 3D but few of a 3H. Not wanting to fall into the same trap.....re: roof conduit. Thanks In Advance Mark [/color][/size] Mark. Here are the sketches I made on a visit to probably Selhurst on 24.02.74. Once again, if you would like to full size scans please PM me. Photos will take a little longer as I'm not sure what I have. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 The main reason for posting today however is to ask for any photos or diagrams of 3H that show the layout be it partial or full of the underframe detail. I have ample of a 3D but few of a 3H. Not wanting to fall into the same trap.....re: roof conduit. Thanks In Advance Mark [/color][/size] Right, found the first lot. Shots explain themselves. Still looking for the other side. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 Dave, Your becoming my savior..........spent my youth surrounded by these units but failed to take much notice, let alone photographs. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 First Results In....Swinging In Favour of Molding A few pics of the underframe stowages, showing the pre-cast object, straight from the mold and then "roughly" painted..no prep work. Remember not to touch the plastic once molded for an hour otherwise you leave finger prints over it!!!! Quite pleased with the results of the generator, I apologize the prototype has well and truly stuck to the mold base plate. On going work but shows that some items will need several molds before the finished article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted March 28, 2011 Author Share Posted March 28, 2011 ALLY PALLY ~ REPLICA RAILWAYS MU FITTINGS Hi All, Thought I'd share another product released at the The London Festival of Railway Modelling , Ally Pally. (with kind permission of Gareth from Replica Railways) If like me you are interested in EMU/DEMU builds then this will give you an alternative supply for those "hard" to locate items These do not show at present on their website, however I do believe they will be under the Accessories Tab (part number RA110?) The pack contains fixings for one end as per the photos 1x Buckeye in "dropped" position 1x Buckeye in "up" position 2x Horns 1x Steam Whistle 1x High Intensity Light surround 2x Cab front steps 2x Wiper blades MU fittings Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucky Duck Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Thanks for sharing this Mark. Very timely, as I'd like to resume my Class 504 and was on the verge of attempting to fabricate some of these fittings! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Royal Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 Hi Mucky Duck, If by "fabricate some of these fittings" you mean the Multiple Unit Connections then don't attempt it. I've learnt from a lot of heartache and hardwork that they are just too tiny to get any satisfactory results. Somewhere in this thread there is a reference to when I finally went down the route of getting them manufactured. Ian from "Impossible Creations" had a valiant attempt with his 3D laser printing kit. Here's the 3D artwork for one I think the dimensions say it all!!! Unfortunately under the microscope it looked ok however to the naked eye it looked rather like a bit of plastic broken from a sprue.... Fortunately I met up with Ian at Ally Pally last weekend and we managed to have a laugh about the whole episode. Injection molding was the only way forward with these. Unfortunately the cost out weighed the returns and of course the knowledge that a certain company mentioned above had taken up the challenge as well. I feel your efforts would pay greater rewards if it was spent extending the main reservoir and brake pipe fitting which should be a tad longer IMHO. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 First Results In....Swinging In Favour of Molding A few pics of the underframe stowages, showing the pre-cast object, straight from the mold and then "roughly" painted..no prep work. Stowage 1.JPG Remember not to touch the plastic once molded for an hour otherwise you leave finger prints over it!!!! Generator.JPG Quite pleased with the results of the generator, I apologize the prototype has well and truly stuck to the mold base plate. Fuel Tank 1.JPG On going work but shows that some items will need several molds before the finished article. Have you got any of those castings left over by any chance? I've just started looking under a DCkits 3H and none of Charlies bits really look much cop. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Wow this is amazing and truly inspirational work. I have a 2H to do although I won't be able to build it to this standard. The links are very helpful too. Thanks for sharing, can't wait to see what the finished model looks like. All the bestChris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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