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[Mackenzie546]

so... ive decided to undertake the somewhat difficult job of accurately depicting the Great Western Sleeper service. the formation I'll be going for is 57(602/605),SLEP,SLEP,SLEP, RFM, TSD, BSO.

has anyone got advice on making a BSO and also would anyone recommend the Oxford MK3a to spray up- ive seen posts that say these coaches are flimsy, but to me i just want something more detailed than the Hornby MK3. and does anyone know a way to make some SLEPs- Hornby ones are hard to track down. And finally- what paint do people recommend for doing the GWR stock- i'm thinking of Rust-oleum british racing green but have seen things that say this isnt right.

Thanks in advance

Mackenzie

Edited February 25, 2021 by Mackenzie546

[Class 158 productions]

Kernow do a GWR green mk3 set, 3 sleepers for about 110 

Edited March 31, 2020 by Class 158 productions

[Mackenzie546]

1 hour ago, Class 158 productions said:

Kernow do a GWR green mk3 set, 3 sleepers for about 110 

I am aware of this, but i believe they have run ot of stock, and the day coaches are not made correctly.

[sc2016]

Hi @Mackenzie546 Kernow runned out of the first limited edition set of coaches but they still got stock off the second run of limited edition sleeper coaches. The set costs £104.99 and the code is R4868A.

 

The day coaches are not made correctly due to the limitations of the tooling used. 

 

Samuel. 

[Mackenzie546]

15 hours ago, sc2016 said:

Hi @Mackenzie546 Kernow runned out of the first limited edition set of coaches but they still got stock off the second run of limited edition sleeper coaches. The set costs £104.99 and the code is R4868A.

 

The day coaches are not made correctly due to the limitations of the tooling used. 

 

Samuel. 

yeah thats what i thought about the day coaches, I'm probably going to do some mods to existing coaches eg turn the half windows on the Hornby RFM into full windows etc and the sleeping coaches will probably be the kernow ones

Mackenzie

[vlvstvir]

Whoops - duplicate post 

Edited May 27, 2020 by vlvstvir

[vlvstvir]

I’m embarking on the same project - looking at potentially using a Oxford Rail for the buffet. 

 

I’m basing mine on a rake I photographed back in 2019. In this case, the quarter windows on one side have been completely plated over!
 

It seems like an absolute minefield - best of luck! 

Edited May 27, 2020 by vlvstvir

[vlvstvir]

EDIT: or they were never present - this one was converted from an FO

Edited May 27, 2020 by vlvstvir

[Mackenzie546]

apologies for the late reply, Ive had schoolwork get in the way of doing much. i have however managed to finish the buffet coach, #10225, and ive attached some pictures below. You'll notice I've only decalled one side, as it's only going to be running with the counter facing out.

[Mackenzie546]

On 27/05/2020 at 19:11, vlvstvir said:

EDIT: or they were never present - this one was converted from an FO

they were present, as this picture shows- 

 

 

i'd recommend looking at this website, as it has lots of pictures of essentially every item of rolling stock. you can see on the right the Roevac vents on the roof, which denote it as a FO conversion, as opposed to this one (10232) which has the square vents on the far left, along with the the half size windows( the FO conversions had full size windows on the counter side)

 

 

[Phil Mc]

A million years ago, Hurst Models produced Brass overlays for the BFO & buffets, they do very occasionally still appear for sale secondhand.

This is my attempt at converting Lima mk3's, which is all that was available at the time !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The working lights in the BFO are from Express Models, & meant for a SuperBG !

 

Cheers,

Phil.

[Mackenzie546]

12 hours ago, Phil Mc said:

A million years ago, Hurst Models produced Brass overlays for the BFO & buffets, they do very occasionally still appear for sale secondhand.

This is my attempt at converting Lima mk3's, which is all that was available at the time !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The working lights in the BFO are from Express Models, & meant for a SuperBG !

 

Cheers,

Phil.

 

those look really nice! How did you make the end detail? and i occasionally see the hurst overlays on the likes of Ebay etc, but have been unsure of how difficult they would be to use, as the mk3s have a curve in thebodyside. and how do you make the overlay fit flush with the doors?

[Phil Mc]

1 hour ago, Mackenzie546 said:

 

those look really nice! How did you make the end detail? and i occasionally see the hurst overlays on the likes of Ebay etc, but have been unsure of how difficult they would be to use, as the mk3s have a curve in thebodyside. and how do you make the overlay fit flush with the doors?

 

Thanks.

 

The end detail is all bits from the scrapbox and wire.

The overlays were curved by rolling them with a piece of steel bar on an old mousemat.

They are the correct length to fit between the doors, and use the panel line to hide the edge.

Plenty of clamps were used to keep them in place while the Araldite cured !!

 

Cheers,

Phil.

[Mackenzie546]

3 hours ago, Phil Mc said:

 

Thanks.

 

The end detail is all bits from the scrapbox and wire.

The overlays were curved by rolling them with a piece of steel bar on an old mousemat.

They are the correct length to fit between the doors, and use the panel line to hide the edge.

Plenty of clamps were used to keep them in place while the Araldite cured !!

 

Cheers,

Phil.

im now looking at getting some for the Sleeper coaches as they seem to be out of stock on the BFO. just out of interest, what paint and transfers did you use for the FGW livery?

[Phil Mc]

The Purple was IIRC from Phoenix Precision.

The door & corridor connection colours I had to mix myself as they weren't available at the time ( I've no idea if they are now !)

The transfers were from a company called Wessex Transfer, no idea if they're still going, but I'd use the Railtec ones if I did them again.

 

Cheers,

Phil.

[Co-tr-Paul]

Buffet was completely changed during refurbishment and repaint both inside and out. Counter end is always next to the open coach ie PZ end.

Edited November 22, 2020 by Co-tr-Paul
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[Mackenzie546]

Today i spent a bit of time figuring out how i'm going to do the BFO/BSO. they were converted into BSOs in 2018 i think during refurbishment. i am going to use an oxford rail mk3a as a donor coach, and use 3d printed roof vents to turn it into a mk3B, along with drilling holes for lights.

 

to get the windows correct due to the larger pillar by the guard's compartment, i've drawn up a basic sketch showing where to cut etc. it's only an aproxximation and as long as the spacing is noticably larger, im happy with it.

this will have a result that looks something like this

 

i will be ordering the oxford coach next week hopefully so as soon as that arrives then progress will begin.

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Mackenzie546

[Mackenzie546]

ok so today was spent modifying my oxford coach which thankfully turned up early in the day.

i tried to take pictures of most of the steps so that if anyone wants to try it themselves they can.

 

i started by removing all of the detail from the end, it just pops out when you press from the inside of the coach.

 

next i removed the roevac vents and added the square ones.

i filled in the toilet windows and the first windows on both sides of the coach.(note they got filed down more than this and you can now just see a vague outline of them)

then i began cutting the side of the coach. i cut almost flush with the window frame on one side and as far from it as possible on the other side

 

i dont have any photos past this point as i just wnted to get on with it, but essentially i cut an identical piece out of the other side, and swapped them around, meaning the blanked window and the window aperture were right next to each other. 

this was followed by filling, sanding, priming, filling and sanding for a fairly long period to fill up the gaps between the pieces.

the coach has now recieved a coat of green paint, and i have removed 2 seating bays from the interior and replaced them with a cut down guards compartment from a spare airfix mk2.

once this dries tomorrow i will paint the doors and roof and apply the decals, and finally i will drill light holes and do put tail lights on both ends and interior lighting.

 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Mackenzie546

[Co-tr-Paul]

Edited January 19, 2021 by Co-tr-Paul
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[Co-tr-Paul]

Best of both colours ! Note: only one window in corridor. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by Co-tr-Paul
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[Co-tr-Paul]

The guards (PZ) end 17173

[Mackenzie546]

just thought i post some pictures of the coaches ive done so far

Edited January 20, 2021 by Mackenzie546

[NFWEM57]

No sure if this thread will be updated as most of the images were lost in the great server crash.  I have the sleeper coaches but the other coaches are, shall we say, problematic..!

 

However, found the attached GWR publication when trawling the web.

 

Facilities Guide May 2023.pdf