Pobrien Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Some photos of the 9F's at the end of their tenure on the Tyne Dock to Consett iron ore trains at South Pelaw. Photos taken on Thursday September 8, 1966 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/8502357603/in/photolist-dXjNGt-dXjND8-dXjNFX-dXjNED/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/8502357409/in/photolist-dXjNGt-dXjND8-dXjNFX-dXjNED/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/8502357573/in/photolist-dXjNGt-dXjND8-dXjNFX-dXjNED/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/8502357497/in/photolist-dXjNGt-dXjND8-dXjNFX-dXjNED/ 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 37101 on track lifting duties between Pelton and Beamish: John 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinzaC55 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 37101 on track lifting duties between Pelton and Beamish: John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 A 'torpedo wagon' train designed to transport molten metal from Middlesbrough to Consett steel works: John 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) A 'torpedo wagon' train designed to transport molten metal from Middlesbrough to Consett steel works: John With the Hawkesworth Dynamometer Car behind the lococ, it would appear.. When did these trains run? I presume it was to cover for the blast furnaces at Consett being out-of-use, rather than as a long-term replacement? If this was the case, how long did the furnaces last after re-building, given the plant shut in 1982? This is obviously a test run; the service trains had a couple of 'Merry-Go-Round' hoppers between locos and first torpedo, then another pair between each torpedo (I think they sometimes had three torpedos) and between the last torpedo and the 'van. Presumably, this was intended to spread the load on bridges. Edited May 14, 2014 by Fat Controller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I believe that this particular train ran on August 7 1969. You are correct that the 'service' trains ran with three of the torpedo wagons but I've not been able to find out how long they ran for. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I believe that this particular train ran on August 7 1969. You are correct that the 'service' trains ran with three of the torpedo wagons but I've not been able to find out how long they ran for. John The bogie tipplers for traffic from Redcar to Consett (did they work anywhere else in the NE, such as South Bank or Hartlepool?) were introduced in 1972, and went to the Mendip quarries in 1982, so they must have been in use for the best part of 3 years. They must have made some major upgrades at Consett for it to take that long- what a waste to close it so soon afterwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 14, 2014 So are we talking ore tipplers or molten metal here chaps? Surely molten metal wouldn't be transported from the Coast all the way to Consett? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Consett, by then, used Basic Oxygen Convertors to make steel and they have to be charged with hot metal. It was a modern steel plant and the whole works still part of the BSC's medium term plans. So, with their blast furnaces planned to be off blast for rebuilding, either the whole plant shut down, or hot metal was brought in. Cargo Fleet's steel plant was open hearth and could be cold charged, so it could spare hot metal from the blast furnaces, hence this service. I believe it ran for several months. The refurbished blast furnaces had a little over ten years in service, there were new/rebuilt plants within the BSC which saw far less in those years. Bit about the ladles themselves here; http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/12668-rolling-stock-10/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 So are we talking ore tipplers or molten metal here chaps? Surely molten metal wouldn't be transported from the Coast all the way to Consett? P Not in the tipplers clearly but that is exactly what the torpedo wagons were used for, here is a pic of one of the wagons unloading at Consett: John 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Nice photos, John. In the last, you can see the cables trailing in lower right to power the rotating mechanism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 So are we talking ore tipplers or molten metal here chaps? Surely molten metal wouldn't be transported from the Coast all the way to Consett? P In more recent times, liquid steel's been taken all the way from Dunkerque to Liege, which is even further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinzaC55 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 With the Hawkesworth Dynamometer Car behind the lococ, it would appear.. When did these trains run? I presume it was to cover for the blast furnaces at Consett being out-of-use, rather than as a long-term replacement? If this was the case, how long did the furnaces last after re-building, given the plant shut in 1982? This is obviously a test run; the service trains had a couple of 'Merry-Go-Round' hoppers between locos and first torpedo, then another pair between each torpedo (I think they sometimes had three torpedos) and between the last torpedo and the 'van. Presumably, this was intended to spread the load on bridges. Is the signalbox in the distance Carr House East, which is now at Beamish? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Is the signalbox in the distance Carr House East, which is now at Beamish? I believe that it is, the stairs on the end the apparent track layout would certainly suggest so... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) A 'torpedo wagon' train designed to transport molten metal from Middlesbrough to Consett steel work John First trial run, pics taken on 4th August 1969. Less than a mile from my hoose and I was born about half a mile down the line behind the train. You'll have seen the prints I have of this train at running through South Pelaw? Can't put them up as they are not my copyright. No doubt you have been here: http://www.traintesting.com/torpedo_wagon_tests.htm P EDIT: Forgot to say where it was. Alan you should be ashamed... Carr House East indeed... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.7608079,-1.5240762,18z?hl=en and https://www.flickr.com/photos/ingythewingy/6432266943/in/photolist-aNp3Sc-aNp4Hp-aNp49v-aNp3un-aNp4rX-byiqCb Edited May 14, 2014 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 You'll have seen the prints I have of this train at running through South Pelaw? Can't put them up as they are not my copyright. Yes, I've got a pic of it approaching South Pelaw from Ouston Junction taken from the footbridge at the Washington end but none once it reached the junction itself. No doubt you have been here: http://www.traintesting.com/torpedo_wagon_tests.htm Was just looking at that site this morning after I got the pics. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I wonder if drawing are available for the torpedo wagons as I wouldn't mind trying to scratch build one of them... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I wonder if drawing are available for the torpedo wagons as I wouldn't mind trying to scratch build one of them... John You could try contacting Distington Engineering, as they're still about, as part of TATA, or Cumbria Archives, who apparently have some of their papers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) I wonder if drawing are available for the torpedo wagons as I wouldn't mind trying to scratch build one of them... John I've been on it for a few years. After seeing (more like hearing! the train run near to my junior school) the train it stuck in my mind. As soon as the Mopok Dynamometer car was released I bought and built one only to be pretty disappointed with it once I discovered all of its inaccuracies. If you can get hold of the Hand Book on the Dynamometer car it's a great help and along with your pics from Testingtrains you should be able to build a good version from a Hornby Hworth 3rd. There was a few modifications by 1969 from the original spec. As far as the ladle wagon, I've only got as far as the diagram. Springing all those axles, and making all those axlebox/springs has always put me me off and it's a year out of my chosen timescale. Any help? Edit: Forgot to say: The "spacer" wagons on the test train where modified 1/503 (CA002A or B ) or 1/505 (CA004A or B ) or the LMS version brake van chassis. I think your original phots could have been taken by the late John Boyes. Edited May 14, 2014 by Porcy Mane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Cheers for the diagram, certainly looks like it'll help. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 EDIT: Forgot to say where it was. Alan you should be ashamed... Carr House East indeed... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.7608079,-1.5240762,18z?hl=en and https://www.flickr.com/photos/ingythewingy/6432266943/in/photolist-aNp3Sc-aNp4Hp-aNp49v-aNp3un-aNp4rX-byiqCb Ah well, I was miles out as well John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagle1 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Have a word with Pete Harvey of PPH, he has already done the bogies in etch brass and 3d print for me and should have the drawing somewhere in his files Beagle1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagle1 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Have a word with Pete Harvey of PPH, he has already done the bogies in etch brass and 3d print for me and should have the drawing somewhere in his files Beagle1 Oops forgot to mention, Scunthorpe version so only two bogies each end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Reiver Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Looking through my negatives, I found this photo of 9F 92060 on a Consett bound train. I havn't got the date recorded but I think it was sometime in 1966. I'm also not too sure of the location; I have it marked down as Stanley. Perhaps some of you experts can enlighten me on that? It was in the transition stage from steam to diesel and we thought we better go and get some photos before steam ended. Having travelled from Carlisle as a pillion passenger on a Triumph, I can remember that the weather was not kind to us! We saw four 9Fs that day (one on ore empties heading from consett) and D5180 on a full ore train. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'm also not too sure of the location; I have it marked down as Stanley. I think you're stood about here. 54°51'52.8"N 1°43'29.6"W Cut and paste the coordinates into google maps. For Some reason the direct link takes you to Russia! P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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