Florence Locomotive Works Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I recently found this photo of a chassis of a mystery outside framed engine inside a shed at Armley Mill Museum, in Leeds. As someone who prefers outside framed engines, I tried for quite a while too find something out about it, but failed. This was mostly scrolling through the engines at Armley Mill, which is quite extensive, but they have a yard full of old stuff that there aren't many photos of. So your comments and thoughts would be appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam FW Posted June 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) According to a flickriver page I found with another photo of the frame its 'The cut-down frames, motion and four-coupled wheels from Oxford, Worcester & Wolverhampton Railway steam locomotive 34 (later GWR 252)' link below https://www.flickriver.com/photos/14581588@N05/4735888906/ apparently it used to be an 0-6-0 but was cut down to be an engineering model when the loco was scrapped Edited June 28, 2020 by Adam FW 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence Locomotive Works Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 The closest thing I found is this, quite nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 It was used to teach apprentices how Joys valve gear worked. It was mostly obsolete on the GWR at the time, but some engines still had it. https://railwaywondersoftheworld.com/valvegears2.html Then it was dumped at the back of Oxley shed for a few years. Can't remember where it was before it went to Leeds. Possibly the NRM. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence Locomotive Works Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: It was used to teach apprentices how Joys valve gear worked. It was mostly obsolete on the GWR at the time, but some engines still had it. https://railwaywondersoftheworld.com/valvegears2.html Then it was dumped at the back of Oxley shed for a few years. Can't remember where it was before it went to Leeds. Possibly the NRM. Jason Strange they chose something where the valve gear was so enclosed, instead of something external so the pupils could see the "full picture", instead of the just the top 1/3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I think the idea was you took it apart and then reassembled it. Everything would have been "hands on" then. I doubt it had much use post 1900ish and was probably just kept as a oddity or forgotten about. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 originally built by E.B Wilson in 1855 as a 0-6-0 for the Oxford, Worcester and Wolverhampton, later absorbed by the GWR then later cut down to 0-4-0 and just the chassis was kept as teaching aid for apprentices Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Florence Locomotive Works said: The closest thing I found is this, quite nice. She didn't look remotely like that by the end of her working days though, with a small cab and a GWR boiler.There's a photo in RCTS volume 3, no C65. Edited June 28, 2020 by JimC 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence Locomotive Works Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, JimC said: She didn't look remotely like that by the end of her working days though, with a small cab and a GWR boiler.There's a photo in RCTS volume 3, no C65. Are there pictures on the web? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Florence Locomotive Works said: Are there pictures on the web? I didn't find one. Picture something like an Armstrong goods with the dome on the front ring, and the cab off GNR single no 1. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Mark Smithers' book "locomotive builders of leeds: EB Wilson and Manning wardle" say that 1877-84 they got larger wheels an cylinders as for drawing, there is one in the book but online this is pretty much the same EBW goods built for GNR https://www.gnrsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/G.F.Bird-Drawing-fig-16.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 This is an amazing opportunity for a new build, to fill a significant gap in the National Collection. One thing we don't have in the UK is a double-framed goods. A very much forgotten but important survivor. Years since I saw it but from memory there are driving and leading coupled wheels, 3 x outside cranks, most of the motion and the frames as far back as the firebox throat plate. Can't remember if the cylinders had been part-sectioned. So much that is there as a head start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Here it is in March 1986. I believe the Taff Vale ones came from E.B. Wilson as well and some of these were converted into 0-4-4T. Well - that could make an interesting Lazarus project! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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