RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted February 25 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25 8 minutes ago, Hroth said: That makes it sound like an EE Type 3 starting from cold... It is only when it starts though. It isn’t an irritating noise unlike the pop pop exhausts fitted to tiny hatchbacks to make them sound faster. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 14 minutes ago, Tony_S said: It is only when it starts though. It isn’t an irritating noise unlike the pop pop exhausts fitted to tiny hatchbacks to make them sound faster. Or as my driving instructor commented " If you're going to drive like an idiot, why advertise it?" Sunday is also a day of rest at SM42 Towers. If I stay sober over lunch, I might get some modelling done. Andy 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Travel chaos at Stourbridge last night. https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2024/02/24/trains-through-stourbridge-cancelled-after-defect-found-on-train/ No trains running through Stourbridge 😀 Andy 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted February 25 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25 (edited) 4 hours ago, SM42 said: Travel chaos at Stourbridge last night. https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2024/02/24/trains-through-stourbridge-cancelled-after-defect-found-on-train/ No trains running through Stourbridge 😀 Andy Is it just the shuttle service? Will they need to provide emergency accommodation and food for those stranded? Edited February 25 by Tony_S 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, Tony_S said: Is the just the shuttle service? Will they need to provide emergency accommodation and food for those stranded? Undoubtedly would have needed to put people up in town unless they could find a fleet of 20 buses to replace the trains calling at all stations en route. Andy 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted February 25 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25 Well, who would have thought that Italy would have held the French rugby team to a draw? I caught the second half after I got back in this afternoon. I quaffed Guinness whilst watching to celebrate with the Italians. With that sort of result, Wales might have a chance of not ending up with this years Six Nations Rugby Wooden Spoon. I didn't disgrace myself on the range this afternoon, although it was very cold and I ended up wearing two pairs of gloves. This had an adverse effect on my trigger finger, which is missing a bit down the side as it is. Pork and Ale sausages for tea tonight, along with cauliflower cheese. 13 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 We had a little do on New Year's Day for the neighbors. There was some champagne but nobody wanted any so it stayed outside in a cooler on the deck and was forgotten about. Today I happened to look inside the cooler and discovered that a rather large bottle of the stuff was completely shattered in the cooler. It was extremely cold here for around a week around the middle of January and I think the champagne must have frozen solid, expanded and shattered the glass bottle. Champagne freezes at around -8C so it's not surprising that the glass let go because I think it was much colder than that. There were also two smaller bottles in the cooler but they remained intact although one of them does seem to have lost some of its fizz. 2 2 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted February 25 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25 16 minutes ago, AndyID said: Champagne freezes at around -8C so it's not surprising that the glass let go because I think it was much colder than that. There were also two smaller bottles in the cooler but they remained intact although one of them does seem to have lost some of its fizz. I had a similar result once when I placed a bottle of Prosecco into the freezer to quickly chill and forgot about it. 1 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 22 minutes ago, Tony_S said: I had a similar result once when I placed a bottle of Prosecco into the freezer to quickly chill and forgot about it. I think it is more about the pressure vessel ( the bottle) being overpressurised when the carbonated fluid defrosts. Had a can of Pepsi do it in the wine cooler whilst on holiday. Came home to find the door open, the remains of the can and sticky residue everywhere. No idea how long the fridge had been trying to cool the whole room so never trusted it after that. Anyway no modelling done today, but discussion had with our carpenter friend on sorting out storage in the West Wing. Day off tomorrow and lots to do. Several calls to make, bills to pay in the motherland and a coffee machine to descale are just the start. The sander will probably come out to start prep on the next paint job. There also some filling jobs to do. How much gets done, we shall see. Andy 13 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 13 minutes ago, SM42 said: I think it is more about the pressure vessel ( the bottle) being overpressurised when the carbonated fluid defrosts. You could be right. Judging by the total destruction of the bottle there must have been a serious explosion 😆 3 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AndyID Posted February 25 Popular Post Share Posted February 25 On my recent jaunt from Pocatello I stopped at Lima in Montana for a late breakfast. Coffee and bacon in toast made to order in a little cafe/diner that was like stepping back sixty years in time. The service was superb too. This was the view from my stool at the bar. 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 After a quick bit of reading it seems that ice holds less CO2 than the liquid so as it starts to freeze, the CO2 pressure increases, the expanding liquid fill the empty spaces in the bottle, reducing the space and the gas pressure will likely beat the formation of ice in splitting the vessel. It could in theory get up to 2000psi apparently but by then the vessel would have ruptured probably at around 80 - 100psi depending on what it is made of Yikes It involved physics and maths so I may have got it wrong a bit, but the basic premise is the dissolved gas will be released as the liquid freezes to create pressures far above the design limit of the vessel Andy 5 4 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, SM42 said: After a quick bit of reading it seems that ice holds less CO2 than the liquid so as it starts to freeze, the CO2 pressure increases, the expanding liquid fill the empty spaces in the bottle, reducing the space and the gas pressure will likely beat the formation of ice in splitting the vessel. It could in theory get up to 2000psi apparently but by then the vessel would have ruptured probably at around 80 - 100psi depending on what it is made of Yikes It involved physics and maths so I may have got it wrong a bit, but the basic premise is the dissolved gas will be released as the liquid freezes to create pressures far above the design limit of the vessel Andy Yes, I was coming to a similar conclusion. Essentially the CO2 is forced to occupy a much smaller volume as it is no longer able to dissolve in the liquid. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted February 25 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25 Night Owl from the Piedmont. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted February 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, AndyID said: Yes, I was coming to a similar conclusion. Essentially the CO2 is forced to occupy a much smaller volume as it is no longer able to dissolve in the liquid. And fits in with your comment about one of the unbroken bottles having lost its fizz, it could perhaps have vented through a less than perfect cork. Edited February 26 by Tony_S 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26 An interesting discussion. We have a half bottle of champagne style Cognac in our freezer. It's been stored in there for a while with no problems, it's well over 40% abv. The distillery owner told us to store it in the freezer and to serve it cold straight out of the freezer. Presumably the high alcohol content has lowered the freezing point. As it will have to be finished in one session we are waiting till we have the right company around. It con't be called fizzy Cognac by law. Jamie 5 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted February 26 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, jamie92208 said: An interesting discussion. We have a half bottle of champagne style Cognac in our freezer. It's been stored in there for a while with no problems, it's well over 40% abv. The distillery owner told us to store it in the freezer and to serve it cold straight out of the freezer. Presumably the high alcohol content has lowered the freezing point. As it will have to be finished in one session we are waiting till we have the right company around. It con't be called fizzy Cognac by law. Jamie PB and I are on our way... 2 1 2 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted February 26 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26 It appears quite chilly outside, and I have been 'asked' to do some stem cleaning of the hard floor downstairs. No time scale has been set on this (apart from it being done today), which is a good thing as this morning, I need to get over to Lidl where a free Belgian bun is awaiting collection(providing they haven't all been sold. I also have to go over to the chemists to pick up the new eye drops I was prescribed last Friday. Whilst I'm out I'd better fuel the car up for tomorrow's trip to Hereford. 14 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Happy Hippo said: PB and I are on our way... I thought that it would be none other than DH that would accompany you. As PB doesn't touch alcohol there would be more for us, maybe that's your cunning plan. Jamie 4 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted February 26 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, jamie92208 said: I thought that it would be none other than DH that would accompany you. As PB doesn't touch alcohol there would be more for us, maybe that's your cunning plan. Jamie Dave is off on his cruise shortly, and I don't think Jill would give him a day off from that. 1 10 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted February 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26 4 hours ago, Happy Hippo said: PB and I are on our way... Bear doesn't drink - but you get legless whilst I attend to the cake.... 7 1 1 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 hours ago, Happy Hippo said: PB and I are on our way... Wait for me Andy 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted February 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26 4 minutes ago, SM42 said: Wait for me Andy The cake's already spoken for..... 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, SM42 said: Wait for me Andy Good idea as I believe Jamie might be in need of some of your 'fresh flour' as he's been carrying out some works to his lounge. Just make certain you charge him your 'continental rates' and not the South Hipposhires ones. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, SM42 said: Wait for me Andy Save some for me. I've been looking for an excuse to visit la Belle France. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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