Southern Crimson and Cream Mark 1 sets

[Fredo]

I am thinking of creating a Southern Region Mark 1 Crimson and Cream Set. I have come across set 880 which is 2xBTK, 2xTO, a TK a CK and a Kitchen Buffet car.  Could I use two Hornby R4848’s and renumber them as S34261/2. Could also use two R4850’s (or Maybe R4849) as S3913/4. Also does R4847 fit as CK 15038 and R4846 as TK 24316. Thanks Fred 

[chris45lsw]

Set 880 was on the Bournemouth-York-Newcastle.  In Summer 1956 I have it as 34261/24316/3913/3914/Maunsell RKB (Diagram 2659 No. 7864 this Summer)/Maunsell SO/CK (Maunsell or Bulleid?)/15038/34262.  The BR BSKs/SOs/SK/CK should be doable from the Hornby models with one caveat depending how fussy you are and it only concerns the interior.  M & E Mark 1s had armrests in the third/seconds while S & Ws didn't.  So if Hornby have modelled armrests they are strictly wrong for BR(S).  Incidentally until early 1954 the RKB's companion was a Diagram 2658 RCO as announced by Hornby.  In Summer 1953 the combo was 7864/7844.

 

Chris KT

[Fredo]

Thanks for all of that I wonder if Hornby bothered to incorporate them in the model. Out of interest do you know if the arm rests on the Midland and Eastern ones every get removed do you know. Fred

Edited January 30, 2021 by Fredo

[chris45lsw]

I don't know for sure, Fredo, but I don't think so.  From memory they could be folded up into the back of the seat so you could fit in four a side at busy periods.

 

Chris KT

[Wickham Green too]

Unlikely anyone would've bothered removing the armrests and all their mechanisms ..... but they might've sewn them in the 'up' position and - perhaps - upholstered over them at a later date.