roythebus1 Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 The evening of reckoning, the motor coach was taken to the Folkestone MRC where a layout was conveniently set up where I could give it a test run. the coach ran well, but there was a problem with derailments on a particularly sharp curve on one of the hidden loop approaches. The loops are not aprt of this layout and are only used in the workshop room. But at the moment there's no couplings fitted, the kitchen car was being propelled just using the rubbing plates. There as alsoa convenient loco-hauled pullman set available as a test train. the KM motor coch would just about manage 3 coaches with some finger power for added weight, so I reckon some lead weight in each motor coach shoule be enough to move the 6 car set. the 12-car loco-hauled set had a class 45 on the front. I had a job moving the train by hand, it really was a heavyweight train! The next problem as I've had to modify the floor in the engine bay, is how to access the bogie pivot screw. The fan in the roof has been removed and it should be possible to drill out the recessed hole in the roof to insert the shouldered screw to hold the bogie in place, but, the hole doesn't quite line up with the centre line of the Black Beetle motor fixing! It's not insurmountable, but difficult on the other motor coach which was bought off Ebay ready-built and the roof just won't come off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
33C Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Try running Ronsonol lighter petrol on the glued joint. It dissolves the glue, dries clear and will not damage 99% of paint finishes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, roythebus1 said: The evening of reckoning, the motor coach was taken to the Folkestone MRC where a layout was conveniently set up where I could give it a test run. the coach ran well, but there was a problem with derailments on a particularly sharp curve on one of the hidden loop approaches. The loops are not aprt of this layout and are only used in the workshop room. But at the moment there's no couplings fitted, the kitchen car was being propelled just using the rubbing plates. There as alsoa convenient loco-hauled pullman set available as a test train. the KM motor coch would just about manage 3 coaches with some finger power for added weight, so I reckon some lead weight in each motor coach shoule be enough to move the 6 car set. the 12-car loco-hauled set had a class 45 on the front. I had a job moving the train by hand, it really was a heavyweight train! The next problem as I've had to modify the floor in the engine bay, is how to access the bogie pivot screw. The fan in the roof has been removed and it should be possible to drill out the recessed hole in the roof to insert the shouldered screw to hold the bogie in place, but, the hole doesn't quite line up with the centre line of the Black Beetle motor fixing! It's not insurmountable, but difficult on the other motor coach which was bought off Ebay ready-built and the roof just won't come off! Removeable roof - secured via three long screws as per the old Tri-ang Hornby Mk.1 coaches. Where the roof is securely glued, you may have to resort to a razor saw. Sounds drastic, but microstrip, solvent and Milliput can cover a multitude of butchery! Removeable rooves are a prerequisite of interior detailing. Glue a false ceiling below the roof to stop the sides from bowing, and drill/tap the false ceiling for the roof securing screws. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted August 27, 2022 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 Thanks, I'll try the lighter fluid trick as well! I'm reluctant to do too much cutting of these. It's bad enough having to razor saw the bogie side frames off to get pin point bearings in the axle boxes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cane Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Hi I am current upgrading the Triang models to an 8 car set. One of the doner components was a poorly built Kitmaster set. As a result I have 5 of the Kitnmaster power bogies going spare if you are interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 Thanks for the offer, but the Kitmaster motor bogies are the wrong wheelbase. I've got one of the motor bogies but it doesn't work because the mazak frame is broken! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cane Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Hi Sorry for confusion in my description. What I have are 5 of the all plasic bogies that model to 6 powered bogies on the prototype. The other bogies have no electric motors and are to a different design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted January 7 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7 On 20/08/2022 at 21:16, cctransuk said: Removeable roof - secured via three long screws as per the old Tri-ang Hornby Mk.1 coaches. Where the roof is securely glued, you may have to resort to a razor saw. Sounds drastic, but microstrip, solvent and Milliput can cover a multitude of butchery! Removeable rooves are a prerequisite of interior detailing. Glue a false ceiling below the roof to stop the sides from bowing, and drill/tap the false ceiling for the roof securing screws. CJI. Hi John, I don't suppose you have a photo of this so you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 10 hours ago, Richard_A said: Hi John, I don't suppose you have a photo of this so you? 'Fraid not - and the model is currently inaccessible. It's very simple - long screws up though holes in the floor, screwing into matching holes in a thick plasticard ceiling stuck under the roof. Sorry, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted January 8 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, cctransuk said: 'Fraid not - and the model is currently inaccessible. It's very simple - long screws up though holes in the floor, screwing into matching holes in a thick plasticard ceiling stuck under the roof. Sorry, John Isherwood. Hi John, No problem, thanks anyway. I'm trying to turn this pile of scrap into a full unit and I'm having to chop bits up to make full sides, and thinking about how to strengthen the joins and keep access. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, Richard_A said: Hi John, No problem, thanks anyway. I'm trying to turn this pile of scrap into a full unit and I'm having to chop bits up to make full sides, and thinking about how to strengthen the joins and keep access. Those roof mouldings are far too flexible - they need a false ceiling of 1 - 1.5mm. thick plasticard glueing beneath them to make them much more rigid. Measure the internal width at eaves level; cut a strip of plasticard of that width and a little less than the internal length. Place it under the roof - do not stick it as this stage - and check that it will form a rebate for the top of the sides to fit in, but not be visible through the top of the windows. If the thickness is correct, stick the ceiling in place. You will find that the strengthened roof makes the assembled carriage MUCH more rigid. All the best, John Isherwood. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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