ianwales Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Hello All Can anyone tell me which services conveyed sleeping cars say west of Exeter in the late 1960's Early 70's, was it just services from Paddington or were there sleeper services from the north as well? Thanks Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) When did the Scottish service start? The earliest passenger timetable I have is for 1977 which shows the northbound service as 15.00 Penzance to Glasgow/Edinburgh. Edit - having thought about this a bit more, were the sleeper cars attached/detached at Bristol Temple Meads, with 'day' coaches only west thereof? cheers Edited July 11, 2021 by Rivercider Additional query. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted July 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) I've just spent the past 15 minutes looking at the working timetable (Plymouth to Penzance) for 18th April 1966 - 5th March 1967. Down direction On weekdays the 05:01 departure from Plymouth, London newspapers and parcels train also conveyed sleeper cars. This train arrived in Penzance at 07:40. This was the 00:30 departure from Paddington. On weekdays the 05:25 departure from Plymouth was a Paddington sleeper service departing at 22:30. This arrived in Penzance at 08:10 On weekdays the 05:40 departure from Plymouth was a Paddington sleeper service departing at 00:35. This arrived in Penzance at 08:25 On weekdays the 07:30 departure from Plymouth was a Paddington sleeper service departing at 23:50. This arrived in Penzance at 10:05. Sleeping cars on this service were detached at Plymouth. Up direction Both the 21:10 and 21:35 from Penzance were sleeper services to Paddington. The Saturday and Sunday services were very similar. The overnight trains from the Midlands and up North are not noted as conveying sleeper coaches. Edited July 11, 2021 by Kris Clarification on which working TT used. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) The May 1971-April 1972 WR passenger TT shows the only Sleeper services from Devon and Cornwall as those to and from Paddington; The WR/Scotland Sleeper started and terminated at Bristol. Correction; At that time the Bristol/North Sleeper ran to and from Newcastle, not Scotland. Edited July 11, 2021 by caradoc Clarification 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2021 1966 -67 TT 00.30 Pdn - Pze 23.50 Pdn - Plym 00.30 Plym -Pdn 21.10 Pze - Pdn 00.45 Manchester Picc. - Plym 20.10 Plym - Mancr Car Sleeper Newcastle - Newton Abbot & return Similar pattern for 1967 -68 and 1968-69 with minor variations to times plus the nortjhbound Car Sleeper from Newton A. terminated at Edinburgh. The above are weekday times but do not include Saturday or dated variations from the times quoted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted July 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) Just checked the 1967-1968 working timetable (Plymouth to Penzance). Details are pretty much the same as the 1966-1967 version. The 22:45 from Paddington is however noted as potentially having car flats in addition to the sleeper coaches. Edited July 11, 2021 by Kris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Some weekday ( Mon - Fri ) formations from the 1971-1972 WTT . The left hand end is the front/leading . 1B75 00:55 Paddington - Penzance Formed; GUV + GUV + BCK + SLS + SLF (all detached Plymouth) + SLF + SLS + SLF + SLS + SLF + SLC + SLS + SLC + BCK ( all for Penzance ) N.B. The GUV vans were for Motorail traffic . 1B25 19:30 Paddington - Penzance Runs FO 11th June - 3rd September Only Formed SK + CK + BSK + RU + TSO + FK + SK + TSO + TSO + SLC + SLC + BSK . 1B55 23:45 Paddington - Penzance Formed; GUV + SLC (both detached Exeter) + BG + TSO + SK + BSK + BSK + FK ( all for Penzance) + CK + SK + BCK + BG + GUV (all detached Plymouth)+ GUV (detached Bristol) N.B. The GUV van to Exeter was for Motorail traffic The GUV van to Bristol was for parcels post Edited July 12, 2021 by br2975 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Some Saturday formations from the 1971-1972 WTT . The left hand end is the front/leading . 1B75 00:55 Paddington - Penzance Formed GUV + GUV (for Penzance) + BCK + SL:F + SLS (detached Plymouth) + SLF + SLS + SLF + SLS + SLF + SLC + SLS + SLS + BCK ( all for Penzance ) N.B. Both GUV vans for Motorail traffic . 1B55 23:45 Paddington - Penzance Formed GUV + SLC (both detached Exeter) + TSO + SK + BSK + BSK + FK ( all for Penzance) + CK + SK + BCK + BG + GUV (all detached Plymouth) N.B. The GUV van to Exeter was for Motorail traffic 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2021 I seem to remember from the mists of time in the mid 70’s, that there was a Paignton - Stirling combined motorail/sleeper service which used to pass Weston-super-Mare about 4ish. I couldn’t tell you that the return working was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 16 hours ago, br2975 said: Some weekday ( Mon - Fri ) formations from the 1971-1972 WTT . The left hand end is the front/leading . 1B75 00:55 Paddington - Penzance Formed; GUV + GUV + BCK + SLS + SLF (all detached Plymouth) + SLF + SLS + SLF + SLS + SLF + SLC + SLS + SLC + BCK ( all for Penzance ) N.B. The GUV vans were for Motorail traffic . 1B25 19:30 Paddington - Penzance Runs FO 11th June - 3rd September Only Formed SK + CK + BSK + RU + TSO + FK + SK + TSO + TSO + SLC + SLC + BSK . 1B55 23:45 Paddington - Penzance Formed; GUV + SLC (both detached Exeter) + BG + TSO + SK + BSK + BSK + FK ( all for Penzance) + CK + SK + BCK + BG + GUV (all detached Plymouth)+ GUV (detached Bristol) N.B. The GUV van to Exeter was for Motorail traffic The GUV van to Bristol was for parcels post The car GUVs were introduced in the 1970-71 timetable (without checking climbing up into the attic to check it). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 Hi everyone Many Thanks for the info, just what I was after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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