298 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) It might be best to wait for the 2019 Leaf e-plus with the 60kWh battery and a thermal management system. (read up on the charger-gate problem with the 2018 40kWh model). By comparison, a 40kw test drive (ie it was use to not being driven very efficiently) Leaf I charged for someone last week was estimating a 170 mile range when full. It's twin charging sockets might be useful, but I'd be more concerned about the long term availability of CHAdeMO unless you're going to be doing lots of miles in a day. Edited July 25, 2018 by 298 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 It's twin charging sockets might be useful, but I'd be more concerned about the long term availability of CHAdeMO unless you're going to be doing lots of miles in a day. Meh. For the life of the car Chademo is a plus. _every_ (non Tesla) rapid in the UK has Chademo. If you look at the Ecotricity units on the motorway they are usually in pairs with Chademo + Type 2 and Chademo + CCS. If one of them is broken you are better off with Chademo. The 60kWh Leaf will have a 3 phase Type 2 so you have the option of Chademo up to 100kW or Type 2 up to 22kW so you have some decent options there if chargers are broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 A post from a year ago came up in my Facebook memories where I'd worked out the cost of my first 6000 miles of EV driving. It came to £220 in electric vs £654 in petrol. Since then my electricity is cheaper and petrol is more expensive. Today it would be £180 vs £708 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/kona/103973/new-hyundai-kona-electric-2018-uk-review Edited July 26, 2018 by Ron Ron Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted July 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2018 http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/kona/103973/new-hyundai-kona-electric-2018-uk-review That's a very significant development - 300 mile range ought to be enough to get rid of the range anxiety for most people. The one thing he didn't say was how that price compared with the I/C equivalent - looks like the Diesel one is about £20k and gets 67mpg - so at current prices around 9p/mile. The article quotes a 64kWh battery, so allowing for losses you're probably looking at 80kWh/charge, at around 20p/kWh (assuming mains electricity) - £16 for 300 miles is roughly 5p/mile. So assuming all other costs are the same (tyres, brakes etc), you're saving 4p/mile, or £480 over an average 12k/year. Whether the economics stack up really depends on how they depreciate (especially as most buyers will probably get them on PCP, the cost of which is based on the expected depreciation), and whether you've got solar panels to charge the EV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 The article quotes a 64kWh battery, so allowing for losses you're probably looking at 80kWh/charge, at around 20p/kWh (assuming mains electricity) - £16 for 300 miles is roughly 5p/mile. Where are you getting your electricity? I pay 12p/kWh. 5p when they can be bothered to put the smart meter in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Battery technology is likely to improve given how much money is going into research. Here’s one straw in the wind: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/25/cheap-material-could-radically-improve-battery-charging-speed-say-scientists Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Whether the economics stack up really depends on how they depreciate (especially as most buyers will probably get them on PCP, the cost of which is based on the expected depreciation), and whether you've got solar panels to charge the EV... PCP deals are a big factor. A couple of years ago you could get a Leaf basically for free if the PCP came to what you were spending on petrol. Charging on solar isn't really a thing unless you are retired and have it plugged in all day. What does work is offsetting the cost of charging off the grid with your feed in tariff. But that's ending next year so unless you also fit a battery your panels will simply be giving away free electricity to the grid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted July 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2018 Where are you getting your electricity? I pay 12p/kWh. 5p when they can be bothered to put the smart meter in. Oops, I read the standing charge instead of the unit charge - so yeah, 12p/kWh gives 3p/mile, so £720 saving over the UK average 12k miles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 A few recent bits of news regarding the electric and hybrid car revolution that is about to become mainstream. Audi and Mercedes-Benz have both unveiled their new pure EV SUV's, designed to compete with the Jaguar i-Pace and Tesla models S and X. These are the production cars that will be delivered to customers, starting next spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 Meanwhile VW have been releasing details of their new ID electric vehicle platform and showing photos of a concept version the first of several ID models, that will go on sale next year . This is a worthwhile read.... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/vws-meb-electric-car-platform-full-details-revealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 Meanwhile, PSA Group have announced that they are aiming to sell 10 million plug-in hybrid and pure EV cars by 2025 (just over 6 years time). PSA Group brands = Peugeot, Citroen, DS, Opel, Vauxhall. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/psa-group-ready-massive-ev-expansion-across-its-brands .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 VW Group member SEAT are planning their first 2 EV models by 2020. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/seat-launch-two-electric-models-2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 As part of its “Electric for All” campaign, the Volkswagen brand aims to sell 150,000 electric cars including 100,000 ID models made in Germany by 2020. 10 million vehicles will be produced in the first product life cycle “creating massive economies of scale". Volkswagen aims to sell one million EVs by 2025. By 2021 the plan is to be producing 1,500 ID family vehicles per day, the equivalent of almost 550,000 a year. By the end of 2022, four of the group’s brands will be ramping up to 27 different models. As a reminder. We are only a few months away from 2019. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 Kia Niro EV. With a claimed 300 + mile range. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/kia/niro/99815/301-mile-range-confirmed-for-kia-e-niro-ev-due-next-year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 South coast based YouTube VLOG'er Petrol Ped has just driven the new Jaguar I-Pace. Petrol Ped specialises in reviewing performance cars and expensive supercars. A real petrol head. Do watch this review (available in full screen HD on YouTube). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 Hydrogen Fuel Cell. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 12 electric Audi models by 2025. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/audi-e-tron-one-twelve-electric-audis-launch-2025 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2018 Also available in a van: StreetScooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Also available in a van: StreetScooter Expect to see something similar with a Mercedes badge.... https://insideevs.com/daimler-mercedes-steal-deutsche-post-dhls-streetscooter/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2018 Also available in a van: StreetScooter To me, this is where EVs should have started focusing - local delivery vans. Lots of short journeys in stop-start traffic (which is good for regenerative braking) in towns & cities (which is where zero-tailpipe-emissions are most important) and loads of room underneath for batteries. A modern version of the traditional milk-float. Get that sorted first, then worry about passenger cars. A few cities now have electric buses, which is another brilliant one - they charge themselves up using a pantograph at certain stops/terminals. If I were doing it I'd make them trolleybuses - use the wires in the city centre, then switch to battery in the suburbs. You could also have bi-mode trolley/diesel (or tri-mode trolley/battery/diesel) for the longer routes where battery capacity might not be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 To me, this is where EVs should have started focusing - local delivery vans. ..... That vehicle segment is seeing a number of new EV vans being introduced. It is seen as a growth area, but high initial costs, due to R&D and the rapid developments in the technology, have held the commercial vehicle sector back until now. As with passenger cars, I'm fairly convinced that landscape will look much different in three or four years time. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2018 The story I heard was that DP-DHL wanted an electric delivery van and went to major manufacturers, but there was no interest from them. DP-DHL then went and joined Aachen University and produced their own design. Having tested and proved it, it produced them for its own needs (most German cities now have them), and StreetScooter is now being offered to other customers (see Milk and More in the UK). The head of VW then got annoyed, saying DHL should have come to them before they created their own vans, to which the answer was "but we did!". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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