mdvle Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Johann Marsbar said: ...as well as taking a run out to New Westminster on the then fairly new "Skytrain" service which was identical UTDC technology to the Scarborough Rapid Transit line in Toronto, the difference being that the Vancouver system has since expanded considerably and the Toronto one-line operation is on the cards to be replaced! The Toronto version (the Scarborough RT, now known as Line 3) was forced on the TTC and never really fit into the TTC network, so it's no surprise when it became life expired the decision was made to get rid of it. But of course politics interfered yet again. Anyway, currently scheduled to be closed in 2023 - though with another Ontario election in 5 months who really knows. (the Ontario Government set up a company to build transit equipment in the 1970s - UTDC (Urban Transportation Development Corporation) - who designed what became the Skytrain equipment. Needing a way to showcase it, the Ontario Government forced the TTC to replace what was being built as a streetcar line into the Scarborough RT (when you are paying the costs, you can force through unpopular decisions). If you look at a satellite image of the Kennedy Subway/RT station you can still see the elevated turnaround loop that was built for the streetcars but was too small a radius for the RT - because the RT had doors both sides they simply don't turn it around. In some deja-vu, the RT was originally supposed to be replaced by a streetcar system - now called LRT - but politics yet again interfered and now a unneeded subway extension serving fewer people is being built - for now). 9 minutes ago, Johann Marsbar said: My biggest regret was not taking the trip up to Squamish that day, which I could easily have done, A sign one is getting older and has experienced things - having regrets over things not experienced. 9 minutes ago, Johann Marsbar said: Vancouver is the only place in Canada using trolleybuses today, though at the time of my first visit (and second..) there were 3 other Cities using them, of which I did manage to visit two of them (and ride on vehicles from the third, but not in their home City!) They seem to fit in Vancouver much like the RT. They were never a good fit in Toronto where the streetcar was well established as well as the subway. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 3, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2022 I talked to some Vancouver trolleybus people when I was there in 2004. They told me then that they were going to replace the fleet with new trolleybuses. I also got given a copy of the wiring diagram for the system Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 25 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: I talked to some Vancouver trolleybus people when I was there in 2004. They told me then that they were going to replace the fleet with new trolleybuses. I also got given a copy of the wiring diagram for the system Jamie There was a book published in Canada by Railfare DC Books during 2019 entitled Tires and Wires which provides a comprehensive history of trolleybus operations in Canada from 1922 to date. I bought a copy when it first came out from the NTA who were selling it here in the UK and it's a valuable addition to my "library"! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted January 3, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 18/12/2021 at 18:03, Alcanman said: snip< However, seeing a small US switching layout at a local exhibition built by the late Mike Scott who demonstrated the magic of kadee hands free uncoupling, was the catalyst to get me started in US modelling. Ah, that was a sudden hit in the guts for me - I was a good friend of Mike's, and often operated his layout(s) with him at shows - I miss him so much, a big man with a big character. We were both also on the crew at Jack southern's, another miss and they both led me into US modelling, the New Haven of course in my case as the locos in the McGinnis era had my initials on the side. This thread which I have just stumbled over is really interesting, the early 80's vibe of the first photos really scratches an itch.....oh no....!! Thanks for posting it all 'Johann'. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, jamie92208 said: I talked to some Vancouver trolleybus people when I was there in 2004. They told me then that they were going to replace the fleet with new trolleybuses. All the Vancouver trolleybuses are now from that time, built by New Flyer. Conventional: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Stanley_Park_Loop%2C_July_2011.jpg/1200px-Stanley_Park_Loop%2C_July_2011.jpg Articulated: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Vancouver_E60LFR_trolleybus_2563.jpg/1236px-Vancouver_E60LFR_trolleybus_2563.jpg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Johann Marsbar said: My biggest regret was not taking the trip up to Squamish that day, which I could easily have done, but I still had lots to see in Vancouver and I decided that I would concentrate on that, as I wasn't likely to be returning to Canada again for the forseeable future. As it turned out, I was actually back there in less than 2 years, but that was too early in the year for the BCR steam runs, and they had finished for good by the next time I was in Vancouver after that... You could still travel behind #3716, on the Kettle Valley Steam Railway in Summerland, BC: https://www.kettlevalleyrail.org/experience/our-locomotives/ 2 hours ago, Johann Marsbar said: From there it was back over to Vancouver for some more exploring, including discovering one of the trolleybus depots under a threatening sky... Vancouver has only one depot for trolleybuses. That one was Oakridge Transit Depot, since closed and the site of a huge redevelopment project. Trolleybuses are now based at the Vancouver Transit Centre, on the banks of the Fraser River close to the airport. It was opened in 2007. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 3, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, pH said: You could still travel behind #3716, on the Kettle Valley Steam Railway in Summerland, BC: https://www.kettlevalleyrail.org/experience/our-locomotives/ Vancouver has only one depot for trolleybuses. That one was Oakridge Transit Depot, since closed and the site of a huge redevelopment project. Trolleybuses are now based at the Vancouver Transit Centre, on the banks of the Fraser River close to the airport. It was opened in 2007. I have a vague memory that the guys I talked to mentioned a potential new depot. Having watched the Bradford system close in 72 when it shouldn't have done, I'm just glad that someone has invested in their system. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 11 hours ago, pH said: Vancouver has only one depot for trolleybuses. That one was Oakridge Transit Depot, since closed and the site of a huge redevelopment project. Trolleybuses are now based at the Vancouver Transit Centre, on the banks of the Fraser River close to the airport. It was opened in 2007. Thanks, I couldn't remember whether I had found more than one trolleybus depot - given it was over 32 years ago now! Only other Depot that I went to was on a later trip (2002) where we had made prior arrangements to visit the TRAMS Preservation Groups bus collection which turned out to be at the Translink Surrey Transit Centre when we turned up at the address we had been given! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 A bit of a bumper selection of photos to finish the rest of this holiday off now..... After a final view of the BC Skytrain with the Downtown area as a backdrop... ...it was back to the station to commence my 72+ hour journey back across the Country. The eastbound run ended up running quite late and we actually arrived in Toronto around 00.30 instead of the booked 19.05. Thankfully the Subway was still running and I didn't have any problems getting to my Hotel, though after checking in and getting in bed, the fire alarms all went off and Toronto Fire Department made an appearance en-masse... The train is shown awaiting departure from Vancouver with an F40 + FP9A combination. I think the coaching stock this time was all ex CP Budd cars.... Apart from photos of scenery, the only locomotive pictures were taken through the coach window in the Winnipeg area and they were all CN examples for a change.. An SD40 pair GP40-2L(W)'s and a GMD1u... Despite the late arrival in Toronto, I had already sorted tickets for a day trip to Niagara Falls on the following (which turned out to be the same) day. Both outward and return journeys were made on the Amtrak Maple Leaf service and the southbound service is seen here departing Niagara Falls (Canada) station heading for the USA.. It ended up a rather wet day to be wandering around but at least it kept the numbers of tourists down in the falls area! For getting around you had the choice of these... ...or the more interesting, futuristic looking, bus and trailer pairs (built by Orion Bus) run as the Parks People Mover... Alternatively, you could always stick to Niagara Transit and their GM "New Look" buses... When I got back to the station for my train back to Toronto, this RDC pair had come in on an earlier working... The next day consisted of a day trip to Montreal on the train, but I didn't take any rail photos and it was something like 96F and 97% humidity with misty conditions so I generally wrote the day off as a bad job and got an earlier train back to Toronto! All I saw of the CN suburban electrification was the gantries and wires at Gare Central, so that would have to wait for a future occasion, assuming the elderly stock was still running by then (which, luckilly, they were..) The last day of the holiday consisted of a day trip to Hamilton by GO Transit coach to see the trolleybuses there. Before departing from Toronto, I did see the incoming stock for the Ontario Northland train to Cochrane arriving at Union behind this FP7A... By that stage, Hamilton seemed to be cutting back on their trolleybus operation (it lasted to 1992) and, from memory, only the Barton/Bell Manor route was in operation at the time of this visit. The bus fleet seemed to be kept in a very good state of repair/appearance though, including the older vehicles such as this GM "New Look".... Then it was back to Pearson Airport for the return flight back to LHR that evening. Overall I was very impressed with Canada as a Country and decided to return there again at some stage, which actually turned out to be sooner than I thought..! 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Great photos and reminded me of my trip to Niagara Falls in 1994. I only managed one railroad photo but at least it has an interesting lash up of of units ( Alcos ? ) and some interesting automobiles. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike_Walker Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, Alcanman said: Great photos and reminded me of my trip to Niagara Falls in 1994. I only managed one railroad photo but at least it has an interesting lash up of of units ( Alcos ? ) and some interesting automobiles. Only 4706 is an ALCo or to be correct a MLW M636; quite a rare beast and by then on borrowed time. 5909, and probably the others, is a ubiquitous GM SD40-2. Back then they dominated CP but are almost extinct today, at least in their original form. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Alcanman said: Great photos and reminded me of my trip to Niagara Falls in 1994. I only managed one railroad photo but at least it has an interesting lash up of of units ( Alcos ? ) and some interesting automobiles. Is the car in the right foreground actually badly bent at the back around the left hand tail lights or is it a fault in the photo print?!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, John M Upton said: Is the car in the right foreground actually badly bent at the back around the left hand tail lights or is it a fault in the photo print?!? It will be a fault in the photo scan which I did years ago. I had a few like that but hadn't noticed this particular one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Mike_Walker said: 5909, and probably the others, is a ubiquitous GM SD40-2. Third in line, with a number starting ‘57’, is definitely another SD40-2. Last one’s number looks like it starts ‘56’ or ‘58’ so that one too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 When my Father saw all my slides from the 1989 trip he decided that he would like to come along with me if I went there again, so plans were made for a return visit during April 1991, this time flying direct to Vancouver and then heading over to the eastern side of the Country, again using Canrailpasses, before flying home from Toronto. We duly flew out with Air Canada on a LHR-YVR service which called in at Edmonton on the way. We actually had quite a long visit to the aircraft cockpit on that journey - something that was Streng Verboten after 9/11 - though I can't remember what aircraft type we flew on! We certainly came back from Toronto on a 747 (C-GAGA) though. As my Father was a former trolleybus fitter, a lot of the time in Vancouver concentrated on covering the entire trolleybus network in the 4 full days we were there, though one of those days was taken on a trip to Victoria by coach/ferry. A visit was made to the North Vancouver yards on the first day and there were certainly more locos around in the BC Rail red/white/blue livery than 2 years previous. MLW RS-18 #617 with Slug #S 402 - a former RS-3.... A pair of Dash 8-40CM's bracket an SD40-2 hauling a caboose in the old green livery. Whilst Vancouver Wharves had a more interesting loco on view - namely this former Southern Pacific Alco S6 A run out to New Westminster on Skytrain later that day came up with this pairing of GMD1m's The statutory shot from the pedestrian walkway to the North Vancouver ferry in Downtown Vancouver produced this SW1200RS (8113) + SW1200RSu (1239) pairing The day trip to Victoria didn't produce any rail interest (other than seeing the station & lifting bridge) though it was a pleasant trip there on the ferry.... ...and Derby Corporation was well represented by this pair of Daimler Fleetlines on City Tour service.... The temperature in BC was around the mid 60's F, but once we left there it certainly got a lot colder.... 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 The Canadian had changed quite a bit from my 1989 visit, with the route taken now having been transferred to CN owned lines rather than CP, together with the fact that it had gone from a daily service down to running just 3 days a week. The stock was still generally CP Budd types, though another blue former CN cach had made its way into the consist, as had a steam generator car - something absent in 1989. That replaced the odd A & B units that were still being used back then. This was still before the all inclusive "package" for travel which included all meals had been brought in, though, rather than the delights of seating accommodation, we had booked a bedroom for the entire trip as a supplement to our Canrail passes. Departure was a lot later than 1989 as well - 21.00 - so not a lot of the journey was seen the first evening. What rapidly became apparent was that there was hardly anybody on the train! We were in sleeper Sherwood Manor, the second from last car on the train, and we were the only people berthed in it, so we basically had the rear round-end observation car to ourselves for the whole trip!! The following day dawned bright and sunny, so a lot of time was spent in said observation dome.... Another feature of the lack of passengers was being offered second helpings in the Dining Car when we went for our meals, as very few people seemed to be using that facility... Highpoint of the first full day was the stop at Jasper, that provided some photo opportunities of locomotives in the station area... We had moved down to the mid-train dome for this one as it was nearing the time of our evening Dinner reservation.... The following day saw a lengthy stop in Winnipeg in the late afternoon, so we were able to wander off the station to see what was about, such as this passing Winnipeg Transit GM bus... By the following day it was through the Canadian Shield... and we had another refuelling stop at Hornepayne, ON.... with another overnight journey before arriving in Toronto the following morning around 07.30. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 On arriving in Toronto we had a few hours to kill before catching an onward service to Ottawa for a couple of nights stay. We didn't wander too far from Union Station, but the new Harbourfront streetcar line that opened in 1990 with its refurbished PCC cars was an obvious photo location. I think #4600, the first of the rebuilt cars, was the only one to carry something resembling the livery used on the CLRV's.... The Route 6 - Bay St - trolleybuses were still in operation at that time, with another couple of years before they became one of the last 2 routes to go.... Plus we did see a short transfer freight pass through the station area behind this CP SW1200RSu... With the rail lines being removed many years ago from the centre of Ottawa, there wasn't anything to see during our stay there apart frpm the local OC Transpo bus fleet... Though after our 2-night stay, this LRC was photographed prior to our onward journey to Quebec City via Montreal.... Quebec City turned out to be a very interesting place, but again, with no rail activity and I never took any local bus photos either! Weather was fairly vile for the two night stay with freezing rain - a Continent away (literally) - from the warm weather in Vancouver. Only transport photos taken there were a couple of ships, with all other photos being of the historic City Centre area.... From Quebec City it was back on the train for a 3 night stay in Montreal which had a bit more rail interest available. There was still a lot of stored VIA equipment around at that stage, such as these MLW FPA's seen as our train arrived into Montreal.... 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 Something a bit different today in that it deals with one particular rail line and one that used British built locomotives as well!! The couple of days stay in Montreal enabled me to see and ride on the CN suburban electric line that operated from Central Station out to Deux-Montagnes. I had first become aware of the operation after buying some old magazines, most probably at the Colorado RR Museum, and one - Railfan & Railroad from November 1980 - had an article all about it, stating that, at that time, its future was very much in doubt. Luckilly, it survived another 15 years beyond that point - still using most of the original locomotives ! When the Canadian Northern decided on a more direct route into the City Centre back in 1912, the Mount Royal Tunnel, linking to a new Central Station was constructed, electrified from the start at 2400V DC, the line opening in 1918 after a deay caused by WW1. Initially electrified to Cartierville, this was further expanded to Deux Montagnes in 1925 and south over the Victoria Bridge and also to Turcot Yard in 1943. General Electric and Canadian General Electric built the Bo-Bo locos used on the line at this stage, constructed between 1914 & 1917. After WW1, the Montreal Harbours Board electrified their waterfront operations and purchased a batch of locos from English Electric which were built at Preston and these remained in use until 1940 when the electrification was shut down. Their locos were swapped with CN for some 0-6-0 steam locos and CN then used the EE locos on their expanded electrification scheme https://twsmedia.co.uk/2019/05/16/from-preston-to-montreal/ The by 1991 the loco hauled services only operated in the Mon-Fri Peak Hours, so we headed out on a service that was the first to run at a different frequency to the mid-day trains and this turned out to be headed by a pair of EE locos, #6717 & #6717, both built in 1924...... This service terminated at Val Royal, where there was a large baloon loop to turn trains, so we stayed there to watch the evening peak departures. By this stage, some stock had been obtained from VIA Rail to replace the rather elderly heavyweight CN cars. From memory, our train had 3 ex-VIA cars and the remainder were the CN cars. The one we rode in was built in 1919! Off Peak and Weekend services were operated by some Canadian Car & Foundry Motor Cars and Trailers which dated from 1952, and our journey back into the City was made on a set of those. Another pair of EE Built locos headed by #6722 (1926) then appeared on a full rake of the CN clerestory heavyweight stock... ...and this was followed by a pair of the 1950 GE built centrecabs...... ...with the oldest traction appearing on the last train - another one that terminated and turned at Val Royal - headed by GE #6715 (1916) and #6714 (1917) None of the 1914 built GE locos (4 were still in service) appeared whilst we were at Val Royal, though were most probably passed en-route somewhere. We did think about going back to the area of the northern tunnel mouth (Portal Heights) the following afternoon, but we ended up somewhere else in the City and it was too late to get there in time. The line lasted in service until 1995 when it was converted to 25Kv AC with new Bombardier built EMU's running it - which lasted until 2020 when the line closed again for conversion to a driverless light metro line. With the age of the stock some of the electric locos were obtained by various Museums or were given to Municipalities along the route for display. Rather annoyingly, none of the EE built ones survived, despite one being offered to the NRM at York (and turned down....). I believe the 3 GE centrecabs went to a dealer and I seem to recall they were convered to diesel locos and most of the MU cars ended up at various preserved lines in the USA as hauled stock. Examples of preserved ones that I have come across since then are..... GE #6714, looking rather sorry for itself at the Connecticut Trolley Museum in Windsor Locks back in 2004.... This one is currently on their disposal list so unless there are any takers it may go the way of the Leyland Railbus that was also on the list and got scrapped last year. The Canadian Rail Museum at Delson, PQ, has one of the 1914 GE locos on display.... ...and an MU power car and trailer were parked outside when I was there back in 2007..... 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 9, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2022 Lovely pics of the electrics. I do have a thing for elderley electrics. I've never been east of Toronto unfortunately. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: Lovely pics of the electrics. I do have a thing for elderley electrics. I've never been east of Toronto unfortunately. Jamie There are some other photos of them which my Father took (he features in the 3rd photo down speaking to the chap leaning out of the EMU door) which are different to mine but they are not on this computer though.... They certainly made up for missing the likes of the PRR and Milwaukee electrics (plus the older Lakawanna/Reading EMUs) as far as I was concerned, so was glad I saw them in operation! At least Iowa Traction is still going, albeit on a rather smaller scale 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) This batch will finish off the remainder of the 1991 trip.... From Montreal we then headed back to Toronto for a five days stay before flying home. Most of the time was spent travelling around the City on TTC, but a couple of excursions were made out of the by rail or rail/bus combinations. Hamilton was visited for the trolleybuses again as the system was threatened with closure within a fairly short timescale (it actually closed in December 1992). Two types of Flyer vehicles were in use the day we were there.... Toronto at that stage was hiring in trolleybuses from Edmonton as they were in better condition than the TTC home fleet. One of these vehicles now is preserved at Sandtoft Trolleybus Museum near Doncaster, plus there is also one at the Illinois Railroad Museum, where I did get a short ride on it about 10 years ago. TTC trolleybuses finished in 1993. Down in the Canadian National Exhibition Grounds, this CN 4-8-4 is on display at the Maritime Museum there. A tugboat was also there at that time, but that has since been moved to another location. ...and stored not far away at the time was this ex London & Port Stanley GE built electric locomotive dating from 1915 From memory we covered all of the TTC tram routes whilst we were there, this CLRV being photographed out at Long Branch to the west of the City... There were still some unrefurbished PCC cars dating from 1949 in use at this time and some were seen at Connaught Depot on a Sunday morning, along with both Non-articulated and Articulated CLRV's... The final use for our Canrailpasses was a day trip to London - out and back by the two different routes available. At least they run buses that aren't painted red! Last shot of the trip that I took was this westbound VIA service leaving from Toronto Union... There then followed a gap of 4 years before I returned on a proper trip to North America, though I would actually be there two years later for a short period.... . Edited January 11, 2022 by Johann Marsbar 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 15 hours ago, Johann Marsbar said: Down in the Canadian National Exhibition Grounds, this CN 4-8-4 is on display at the Maritime Museum there. A tugboat was also there at that time, but that has since been moved to another location. 6213 has also been moved - it is now resident at the Toronto Railway Museum, located at Roundhouse Park - which is at the foot of the CN tower located in part of the old CPR John Street Roundhouse (shared with Steam Whistle Brewery and some other retail). https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/ 15 hours ago, Johann Marsbar said: ...and stored not far away at the time was this ex London & Port Stanley GE built electric locomotive dating from 1915 Not sure where this ended up, possibilities are the Elgin County Railway Museum and I think Exporail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, mdvle said: 6213 has also been moved - it is now resident at the Toronto Railway Museum, located at Roundhouse Park - which is at the foot of the CN tower located in part of the old CPR John Street Roundhouse (shared with Steam Whistle Brewery and some other retail). https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/ Not sure where this ended up, possibilities are the Elgin County Railway Museum and I think Exporail. Glad the 6213 is now under cover. Elgin certainly had L&PSR #L1 on display there when I visited that museum in 2005. A quick search online confirmed that #L2 eventually went there at some stage after vanishing from Toronto. EDIT: Seems to have gone first to Halton Radial Railway Museum before moving to St Thomas. . Edited January 12, 2022 by Johann Marsbar Extra info added 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 I'll get back to "proper" trips tomorrow, but I might as well throw this short one in as it did actually involve officially entering the United States, even if I didn't leave the airports in question!! After the 1991 Canada trip, my Father had been bitten by the long distance travel bug, so in 1992 we did a trip to Australia courtesy of the good travel deals introduced by Quantas after the first Gulf War and in 1993 booked on a trip to NZ which was being handled by Ffestiniog Travel and was the first of a number of trips I did with them in the 1990's - two of which were to Canada. Travel to NZ on the outward run involved changing planes in San Francisco to a flight that went to Honolulu and then one on to Auckland. With the "domestic" flight leg, we had to enter the US to travel on it - something that wasn't actually pointed out to us in the Tour information! Luckilly I had an Indefinite period Visa for the US and my Father also had one as well, obtained for a trip he never actually did. He was that unimpressed with United Airlines and US Customs & Immigration on this trip, he never went there again...... Only US photo was in the "how to identify landmarks from several thousand feet" category.... Though we did find some US built locos when we were touring NZ....... 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 And here is 6213 from our 2017 trip to Canada 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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