Nick G Posted May 29, 2022 Author Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, muddys-blues said: Nick, i bet that gets extended ? I will probably be tempted but will have to resist. As all my layouts are exhibition layouts I can't do with the hassle of large layouts anymore! 2 hours ago, muddys-blues said: we must have a catch up ? Yes, I never some up your neck of the woods anymore but if your ever in the Bodelwyddan area pop to our depot as I stay in most of the time now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 34 minutes ago, Nick G said: I will probably be tempted but will have to resist. As all my layouts are exhibition layouts I can't do with the hassle of large layouts anymore! Yes, I never some up your neck of the woods anymore but if your ever in the Bodelwyddan area pop to our depot as I stay in most of the time now. Okay Nick, will do, but I was thinking more away from work, and chatting about trains 😉 best regards Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted May 29, 2022 Author Share Posted May 29, 2022 51 minutes ago, muddys-blues said: Okay Nick, will do, but I was thinking more away from work, and chatting about trains 😉 Are you going to the Colwyn exhibition in Craig Y Don in July? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 15 hours ago, Nick G said: Are you going to the Colwyn exhibition in Craig Y Don in July? what date Nick ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted May 30, 2022 Author Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, muddys-blues said: what date Nick ? I will visit on the Sunday as a punter as I will be at DEMU Showcase on the Saturday. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 Back to the early 80's... Work in progress! 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 A bit of shunter action... 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 One of the new Dapol brake vans getting some attention. Dapol seemed to miss the fact that B953501 had Grey ends so I have fixed it, TOPS code of CAO applied with new electrification flashes and other transfers applied. Pretty sure the rain strips on the roof are wrong I think they should be straight. I can only find a couple of photos of this van in 1975 so modellers licence has been used. Still work in progress with the weathering. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 16 hours ago, Nick G said: One of the new Dapol brake vans getting some attention. Dapol seemed to miss the fact that B953501 had Grey ends so I have fixed it, TOPS code of CAO applied with new electrification flashes and other transfers applied. Pretty sure the rain strips on the roof are wrong I think they should be straight. I can only find a couple of photos of this van in 1975 so modellers licence has been used. Still work in progress with the weathering. Nice job Nick, I have the same van, are you able to share a link with the photos you used please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 37114 said: Nice job Nick, I have the same van, are you able to share a link with the photos you used please? Thanks, Only one photo (the same one twice!) I could find so I assumed it would have had the TOPS code CAO applied before 1980. The photo is on Paul Bartlett's excellent site. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/h3833371a#h3833371a Edited June 12, 2022 by Nick G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nick G said: Thanks, Only one photo (the same one twice!) I could find so I assumed it would have had the TOPS code CAO applied before 1980. The photo is on Paul Bartlett's excellent site. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/h3833371a#h3833371a This is the higher resolution version as provided to Richard at Dapol https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan506/eb601af63 I doubt there is a single BR brake van that had roof rain strips like the model. I just cannot get Dapol to alter them. They were a feature of some of the earlier LNER brake vans but even most of theirs had straight strips - some are visible in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerbrake Paul Edited June 12, 2022 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Nick G said: Thanks, Only one photo (the same one twice!) I could find so I assumed it would have had the TOPS code CAO applied before 1980. The photo is on Paul Bartlett's excellent site. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/h3833371a#h3833371a Thanks Nick, no idea how I missed that as I was looking at his galleries last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted June 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) I've not seen grey ends before - bit strange! At first I thought it was the light but there are a couple of much clearer photos than the one linked so no doubt. Are they in service or in the process of being reworked and that is either undercoat or grey that was underneath plating that has been exposed? Edited June 12, 2022 by Hal Nail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Hal Nail said: I've not seen grey ends before - bit strange! At first I thought it was the light but there are a couple of much clearer photos than the one linked so no doubt. Are they in service or in the process of being reworked and that is either undercoat or grey that was underneath plating that has been exposed? Maybe wrong but it denotes its an unfitted van. Some were painted all grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, 37114 said: Thanks Nick, no idea how I missed that as I was looking at his galleries last night. Luckily I just put the van number in the search box and it found it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Nick G said: Maybe wrong but it denotes its an unfitted van. Some were painted all grey. Ah the good old days before 1963 when BR had a painting policy. Railfreight red (itself a variable colour usually called bauxite) for piped and power braked wagons and grey for unfit. After 1963 a brief period when everything was to be red. And then anarchy. Looking through my 1/506 quite a lot are red with grey ends, and unfitted. But there is 1/500 which is grey and clearly full vacuum braked (rare on BR built brake vans) https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan500/e2a66d451 And then of course many wagons of all sorts were only patch repainted (if lucky) so old colours were to be seen for decades after they ceased to used. It is necessary to find a photo from a suitable prototype at a suitable time period and be guided by that. That is what Dapol have done. As Nick suggested forwarding a livery by c5 years then adding a TOPS code is very suitable. BR owned wagons did get TOPS coded over the few years following its introduction. Privately owned wagons took far longer to display TOPS codes. Paul 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: . But there is 1/500 which is grey and clearly full vacuum braked (rare on BR built brake vans) https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan500/e2a66d451 Wow, that would be an interesting one to model, very tatty! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted June 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/h3833371a#h3167021a 51 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: many wagons of all sorts were only patch repainted Looking through, aside from the grey ends, many others have much brighter/fresh bauxite ends or metal plating (there is one with planks running horizontally as well). Were the ends much more prone to wear and the number with grey there is simply where they've been patched up with a handy can of grey? Some ends are not entirely grey which makes me wonder if its not so much a deliberate livery as a bit more "dont care". This one suggests that did happen and a few others with random grey on the sides rather than ends but not as many: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/h3833371a#h3167021a Edited June 12, 2022 by Hal Nail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) They are a minefield, plated ends, horizontal planking and two different widths of vertical planking. Also plating above the buckets which I have added to my model. Don't forget in later years the small grab rails on the sides were removed. Most had the curved rain strips on the roof replaced with straight rain strips which could angle either way. As Paul rightly said you need to find a photo of the prototype you plan to model. Edited June 12, 2022 by Nick G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted June 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nick G said: As Paul rightly said you need to find a photo of the prototype you plan to model. Totally agreed although rather easier for my period, 1957! I was just curious whether the later grey ends actually had any significance or were just haphazard maintenance. Edited June 12, 2022 by Hal Nail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 Another Dapol brake van weathered and decals applied using Paul Bartlett's photos for inspiration with a bit of modellers licence! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 Another new acquisition is an Ellis Clark Trains Presflo. I ordered it with medium weathering but I have toned it down slightly, added electrification flashes and painted the buffer shanks silver. I will probably get another couple. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 Another Dapol O gauge brake van almost finished. Ducket painted Bauxite, weathered and correct electrification flashes applied and roof repainted. Looking at pictures of these CAR vans in Bauxite & yellow I am struggling with what colour the Ashford 3-pipe arrangement should be. Looking at photos of these vans they range from Black, Bauxite and Yellow. There is a photo of this exact van on Paul Bartlett's site but it shows the other (non pipe) side! 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted June 20, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 20, 2022 13 hours ago, Nick G said: I am struggling with what colour the Ashford 3-pipe arrangement should be. Looking at photos of these vans they range from Black, Bauxite and Yellow. I'm fairly sure I've seen white as well but frame dirt is probably a safe bet... Incidentally if you wanted to renumber any of these, Dapol's do come off easily with a bit of IPA and a cocktail stick. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Nick G said: I am struggling with what colour the Ashford 3-pipe arrangement should be. Looking at photos of these vans they range from Black, Bauxite and Yellow. There is a photo of this exact van on Paul Bartlett's site but it shows the other (non pipe) side! There is no particular colour they should be, the pipe colour there meant nothing to ops staff they were just painted whatever was to hand - on my two I've painted them on one white and on the other black Edited June 20, 2022 by 101 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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