RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2023 9 hours ago, 57xx said: You could also try flattening the solder before cutting to make smaller bits to use. I squidge mine with some maun pliers before cutting small bits off. Very easy to control the amount of solder used. Another way to get small bits of controllable solder is to file it with a fairly coarse file and make !solder dust" as I call it, I find it useful when RSU'ing. Mike. 3 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BR traction instructor Posted July 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) The subtle & random differences within a 1977 rake of tipplers are starting to appear as the rake grows, with variations of body height, axlebox, buffer style, brake type, coupling type, wheelbase, max load level/tonnage, body plating patching/repairs etc etc. Recreating convincing period levels of rust/decay at the painting stage will be a much bigger challenge than simply turning them out ex works. Meanwhile, Justin is gathering together the underframe etches and axlebox/leaf spring prints to enable a start on five diagram 1/161, 1/162 ex ironstone hoppers... BeRTIe Edited July 23, 2023 by BR traction instructor 19 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymetalwagons Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 hi BR traction instructor nice work, did some of those chassis in 4mm for my coil j wagons . I take it yours are O gauge ?? ,I also really like the wagon makers plates, who makes them ? =wish someone them in 4mm many thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) ...thankyou, all of my modelling is 4mm P4. Have a chat with Phil Sutton on 01780 470086 at Rail Exclusives/SLW loco works, he may be able to fix you up. Apologies for this Justin. Any other queries re non Rumney items please ask on my own 8J22 Penmaenmawr thread, also on this site. Rgds BeRTIe Edited July 25, 2023 by BR traction instructor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymetalwagons Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 many thanks BR traction instructor. also sorry to justin aswell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) The first tippler through the paintshop is this fitted 1/184. The prototype finish in the period picture is purely rust, some patch painting where the lettering is. The first coat on the new plastic was a thinned red oxide primer/GWR freight brown to give a patchy finish that adhered and allowed the next layer to adhere on top. Mixing Phoenix red oxide, GWR freight brown and matt black in a dimple pallette with enamel thinners and applying several thin washes to recreate more patchiness of rust in what I think is an accurate shade got me to this base coat situation where I'm happy to apply Ore 26 VB decals. Once the decals are sealed with Rowney matt varnish I'll complete the underframe rust/frame dirt washes to suit and finish with some stone dust dirty matt varnish washes/white, grey weathering powders... BeRTIe Edited July 26, 2023 by BR traction instructor 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) Still a work in progress...loads being tweaked, etched corner strengtheners required on four wagons; plating repairs still being replicated; various decals being sourced for the variations on each wagon. Modelling a tippler rake in this way also highlights period issues with loading the variants. The capacity varied...26T for fitted wagons as they had over a ton of brake gear underneath, 27 or 27.5T for many of the others but this didn't take account of body height. Once the loaded wagons had been weighed at Penmaenmawr and the weights forwarded to the local TOPS office, for generating the trainlist/drivers slip, any overweight wagons would cause a rejection and require shunting out or manual removal of stone before reweighing. The taller 1/180 & 1/181s were usually involved. Conversely the lower sided unfitted 1/183 & 1/184s were often loaded to the point where chippings fell off the wagons en route, risking broken windows, injuries to track workers/passengers on platforms or else defects in pointwork becoming obstructed by them. The more uniform rake of similar tipplers in the lower picture was the progression from the more random situation that I'm modelling... BeRTIe Edited July 28, 2023 by BR traction instructor 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) Varying rust shades/faded grey as thin washes are going onto the first six tipplers as the dry weather allows today...more decal work once the rain returns...white primer is the base for the grey, with post 1964 BR freight grey added to produce a tired/faded version of the original, whilst the rust shades are based on red oxide primer with GWR freight brown added, matt black added as a third colour for the darkest two tipplers... BeRTIe Edited August 1, 2023 by BR traction instructor 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) A little Sunday engineering work has seen a pair of Bill Bedford RCH W irons fitted into a Rumney 16ft 6in, 9ft wheelbase unfitted underframe as the prototype 1/161, 1/162 hopper takes shape. The top-plate has been scrawked out to accommodate the modified Mainline RTR hopper body. The scale diagram in the HMRS hopper book indicated that the hopper supports at each end needed re profiling too and 2 pairs of new inner struts fabricated... Edited September 1, 2023 by BR traction instructor 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Your Tipplers look rather good, just like I remember them zipping along behind a 9f or maybe something else! And that is me in my little title picture. Maybe see you at Spalding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) ...I'll look forward to it Mike 👍 Now comes the tricky part, weathering down the wagons little by little until the balance and intensity are about right. My technique is to group the build together and work in turn on whichever is the least convincing at that point but being careful only to add small amounts of weathering at a time...main tools in play at this stage are a wooden toothpick, a rustyish dilute enamel paint mix and a medium sable paintbrush with a little enamel thinners on the bristles... BeRTIe Edited August 15, 2023 by BR traction instructor 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) ...when the model is of a heavily stained/rusted/weathered/decayed wagon I try to avoid going quite as far as the prototype but obviously need to be in the ballpark... BeRTIe Edited August 16, 2023 by BR traction instructor 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Just a little more touching in of individual detail but approaching a point that I'm happy with... BeRTIe 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) Modified Rumney 9ft tippler underframe with a 4 segment modified Mainline hopper body destined to be one of the first pair of five diagram 1/161, 1/162 P4 variants for Mostyn. Removing the hopper side detail means less razor saw cuts/segments (4 against 6) but it will need replacing with T section brass. A slight compromise when dealing with moulded plastic hopper bodies, as against sheet brass is the relative overthickness. This may dictate 1.2mm angle brass for the hopper top section, as against 1mm but these wagons will be formed amongst diagram 1/163, 1/166 ex ironstone hoppers with thinned resin hopper bodies, so will fit right in. BeRTIe Edited September 5, 2023 by BR traction instructor 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 Latest News September 2023 Just in time, some new items to report ahead of Scalefourm this weekend. Lima Bogie Vee Presflo Detailing A set of etches and 3D prints to update and correct the Lima model brought to you by Mike Whitchurch. The 'full' kit (X.33A) includes correct length etched skirts and 3D printed ends which are missing on the RTR model. The kit assumes that you will lengthen the outer ends of the tanks with plastic strip (not included). The accompanying etched detailing includes new walkways, ladders, end anchors and lifting brackets as well as lamp irons, brake wheels and solebar detailing. 3D printed manholes are also included. We appreciate that not everyone wants to go to the trouble of lengthening the tanks and replacing the skirts so the detailing etch from the 'full' is available separately (X.33B). This includes the 3D printed manholes. X.33A - £24 Lima bogie vee Presflo skirts and detailing X.33B - £8 Lima bogie vee Presflo detailing only Ivatt Class 2 Tank Ladder X.22 - £1.50 An etched replacement bunker ladder designed by Pete Tarver for the Bachmann loco. LMS 6’6” Trailing bogie X.29 - £6 A sprung bogie originally intended for a model of the LMS 2P but with applications for other LMS locos such as the 2-6-4Ts. P4 only. Reinstated Items - Wagon Detailing Etches The steel ended wooden open and shock open detailing etches (B.102, B.103 & B.104) are available again from stock as is the Ratio LMS van strapping etch (B.105). Stocks are low for the BR Shocopen detailing (B.104) but I have good stocks of all the others. Coming Soon There was supposed to be another major release this month but a problem with the etches meant that it needed to be put back. A full kit for 1930s 10’ wheelbase class A tank wagons, with ether saddles or a cradle will be appearing soon, most probably in early January. Hope to see some of you on the weekend, Justin 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymetalwagons Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 damn going to have to spend some money .started doing a lima bogie vee tank about 15 years ago (and put to one side)=give up !!!! going to have to finish it now thanks 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymetalwagons Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 this is how far i got 15 years ago strange thing is it got moved from "my may get round to doing box" onto my must get round to doing box/shelf "even before Justin's update 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 27, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2023 6 hours ago, heavymetalwagons said: this is how far i got 15 years ago strange thing is it got moved from "my may get round to doing box" onto my must get round to doing box/shelf "even before Justin's update Excellent job, I decided life was too short to re-do all the pipework, and the hopper chutes were adding cost on cost, but can be easily built from plastic card etc, so a decision was made! Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) The reward for many hours of perseverance with etched underframes and upgraded bodies...the Penmaenmawr to Hope St tipplers/rebuilt mineral opens debut in abbreviated form at the SLW class 25 launch at Bentley, Crewe just now... BeRTIe Edited January 21 by BR traction instructor 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) Work is progressing once more with the prototype diagram 1/161 hopper for Mostyn. Components from a spare Rumney kit and some Ambis components are being used to alter the 9ft former tippler underframe... BeRTIe Edited January 21 by BR traction instructor 7 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) The prototype hopper underframe is almost at the end of the soldering stage, just the tiebars and footsteps to add. It will then get a thorough clean ready for the Araldite/superglue stage. The brake levers are modified fully tapering types from Ambis etch WV5 whilst the prototype has modified Rumney brake lever guides (Justin is supplying a separate etch of correct ones for the production batch), also using a section of Colin Craig ladder etch stay as a long tie. Test fitting the hopper body reveals a correct overall height of 38.5mm. Tiebar and footstep added along with a plasticard strip at each end of the hopper that will disappear behind the hopper end supports but with gentle/sanding thinning is getting the hopper body to sit at the right height ready for tacking (allowing last positioning checks to be done) before Aralditing the body to the underframe... BeRTIe Edited February 17 by BR traction instructor 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 A key point in the construction, getting the body square, level and centred on the underframe for tacking the two together... BeRTIe 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) Today has seen work to fit the first outer end plate support. A 1mm strip soldered top & bottom to replicate part of the angle that attached it at either end. 8mm square styrene has been superglued on the inside to act as mount for the side plates that are yet to be fitted. All trace of the original moulded end supports had to be removed because they were simply inaccurate. With end and side plates of the hopper end supports fitted... BeRTIe Edited February 20 by BR traction instructor 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Whilst waiting for some unequal L brass section from Cambrian, for the prototype, a start has been made on the sole diagram 1/162 with plate W irons... BeRTIe Edited February 28 by BR traction instructor 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) Current state of play with the production batch of four diagram 1/161, 1/162 hoppers. Bill Bedford BWF006 BR open W irons are fitted to three of these... BeRTIe Edited March 8 by BR traction instructor 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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