Boggies of Dapol B Set Coaches in N

[Stefen1988]

Hi folks,

 

did any GWR B Set Coaches existed with the boggie's positions of Dapols N-Gauge B Set Coaches?

 

I can't find any sources with B Set Coaches which had such far inside of the body lying boggies.

Edited January 31, 2023 by Stefen1988

[Hal Nail]

5 hours ago, Stefen1988 said:

Hi folks,

 

did any GWR B Set Coaches existed with the boggie's positions of Dapols N-Gauge B Set Coaches?

No, they don't look right to me.

[Stefen1988]

I heared the Siphon boggies would fit.

 

Is this right, did someone this modification?

[The Johnster]

The bogies are set too far in from the ends of the coaches.  These bogies are 7foot wheelbase, and correct for the Diagram E129 B set modelled, but the model coaches look as if they were designed to be made with the 9foot bogies that the GW introduced at a later date.  There were in fact Diagram E140 B sets built later with these 9foot bogies, which looked very similar to these but did not have the recessed guard's doors.  The bogies from the Dapol Siphon G van or the A30 Auto Trailer should be a good fit but the model coach will have incorrect recessed doors and need to be renumbered.

 

The other way out of this problem is to drill a new hole to take the bogie pivot pin in the bottom of the coach in the correct position.  I don't model in N gauge so I'm not familiar with these models, and there may well be good reasons that this is difficult or impossible.  It is annoying when manufacturers get this sort of basic thing wrong, out of scale dimensions, which can often be difficult to rectify, and Dapol have form for it, with mineral wagons in N and 00 stretched to fit incorrect generic 10foot wheelbase chassis, which should be 9foot for these wagons.

 

 

[Kris]

13 hours ago, The Johnster said:

The bogies are set too far in from the ends of the coaches.  These bogies are 7foot wheelbase, and correct for the Diagram E129 B set modelled, but the model coaches look as if they were designed to be made with the 9foot bogies that the GW introduced at a later date.  There were in fact Diagram E140 B sets built later with these 9foot bogies, which looked very similar to these but did not have the recessed guard's doors.  The bogies from the Dapol Siphon G van or the A30 Auto Trailer should be a good fit but the model coach will have incorrect recessed doors and need to be renumbered.

These coaches can have their bogies swapped with ease. It is just a matter of taking out a pin. 

From memory these coaches were scaled down from the very old (airfix?) models. These models are now over 20 years old. 

[Hal Nail]

15 hours ago, The Johnster said:

These bogies are 7foot wheelbase, and correct for the Diagram E129 B set modelled

 

There were in fact Diagram E140 B sets built later with these 9foot bogies, which looked very similar to these but did not have the recessed guard's doors.

 

The bogies from the Dapol Siphon G van or the A30 Auto Trailer should be a good fit but the model coach will have incorrect recessed doors and need to be renumbered.

The model is the E140, not E129. This had 7ft bogies but nearer the ends as you've said.

 

The E145 is the one that had the same body and including recessed guards doors, but 9 foot bogies. There is a catch tho - they weren't the pressed steel type, they were 9 foot plate - just longer versions of the one Dapol have modeled. So the syphon/autocoach ones wouldn't be correct.

 

Best bet is to move the existing ones out.

[The Johnster]

I really ought to have these E numbers sorted out in my head by now, but still get confused.  Ok, let's try, without looking them up...

 

.E116, late Churchward or early Collett?, flat ends, Churchward fishbelly bogies, 1st class at inner end of coaches.  K's plastic kit for 00.  Bristol area.

.E129, not sure what this is at the moment, because I though this was what E140 was.

.E140, this model, bowended, recessed guard's doors, 7' Collett bogies, 1st class central in the passenger area as on all B sets from now on.

.E145, same bodyshell with recessed guard's doors, 9' Collett bogies.

.E147, flat ended, flush guard's doors, 9' Pressed Steel bogies,  some built not close coupled and capable of being used as single BC.

 

Or something like that!

 

For 4mm conversions E140 to E145, correct 9' Collett bogies are available from the Mainline/Bachmann 60' gangwayed flatenders, also the Airfix/Hornby A30 auto trailer.  Bachmann do the bogies as spares.

[Hal Nail]

25 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

E129, not sure what this is at the moment

57' bow end, 7 compartments so a smaller luggage area.

 

There were also 2 E135 sets which ran on the Looe branch amongst others. Stull had curly grab handles and a flush guards door but back down to 6 compartments - so quite easy to mistake for an E140 at a quick glance 

 

I need to get out more!

Edited February 2, 2023 by Hal Nail