Will Crompton Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Wagon repair depots and sidings provide plenty of scope for micro/small size layouts or as part of a larger system. I think they give opportunities for justifying a variety of wagons and interesting scenic details. I'm currently planning a micro WRD layout myself. I though it would might be useful to have a thread collecting relevant images. I've found similar threads here (such as the parcel train thread) very informative. So to see if there is any interest I'll start the ball rolling with this classic photo of the small facility which used to be at Hereford, taken by Jamerail on May 1985 and from his Flickr thread. It positively oozes atmosphere - there's a micro layout right there! 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Don't think I can get a link but type in Cambois wagon repair on flickr for a handful of pics, including one of the alcan wagons with a road crane. Paul 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, birdseyecircus said: Don't think I can get a link but type in Cambois wagon repair on flickr for a handful of pics, including one of the alcan wagons with a road crane. Paul Many thanks. Following your suggestion I found this searching on Blyth Cambois TMD on Flickr which is I think the image (or one very like) you are referring to. Taken (I believe) by John Reay. Edited August 22, 2023 by Will Crompton 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 Here's another view of the wagon repair sidings alongside Blyth Cambois TMD from Ernies Railway Archive Flickr site. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Will Crompton said: Many thanks. Following your suggestion I found this searching on Blyth Cambois TMD on Flickr which is I think the image (or one very like) you are referring to. Taken (I believe) by John Reay. Nice. The one I was looking at was taken more from the right with a smaller crane and a BR sherpa van in the foreground. Paul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 Barton Hill wagon repair depot in the early 1980s, taken by Robert Tarling. This shows a nice little detail which I might incorporate in my WRD when I get a round tuit in the form of the inset tracks for storing wheelsets at right angles to the siding under the hoist. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If you fancy a modern era WRD there is Tees Yard which has the added bonus of having a fuelling point. I built a model of Tees Yard and managed to fit in both facilities in 9ft x 15ins (00 gauge) 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share Posted August 24, 2023 (edited) On 23/08/2023 at 18:35, Alcanman said: If you fancy a modern era WRD there is Tees Yard which has the added bonus of having a fuelling point. I built a model of Tees Yard and managed to fit in both facilities in 9ft x 15ins (00 gauge) This site is definately inspirational. I first came across it in the Rail Express article on wagon repair depots by David Ratcliffe (June 2013 issue). It's almost if it was laid out by someone who likes micro-layouts! When I came to the third photo for a few seconds I was trying to work out where this shot was taken from - then I realised it was your layout! Fantastic - definately a shot for the 'model looking like the real thing' thread. If I can achieve something a tenth as good as this I will be pleased. Another contemporary example that has scope for adaptation is the current facility at Arpley Yard in Warrington. From Flickr, taken by Douglas Rowson on July 15th 2015. Edited September 8, 2023 by Will Crompton Apologies - got David Ratcliffe's name wrong. :-( 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 A couple more of the Hereford facility by Jamerail from his Flickr account. First the c and w compound seen in the rear of a view across the yard. I assume the crane was used to help change wheelsets. Picture taken in July 1984. Next up the end of the two c and w sidings and a different crane in December 1982. I think the concrete building and lockable associated compound are very 'modelable' details. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) Two more sites. First the C and W siding (in the background) that used to be at Skipton. Taken in February 1983 by Graeme Phillips. Second, September 1997, Carlisle Currock wagon shops as was, uploaded to Flickr by Wembyard. Edited October 17, 2023 by Will Crompton 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 (edited) Wheelsets at the old Toton WRD in 2001 by Ernie Puddick on Flickr. It is from a very nice Album of shots of Toton WRD he has uploaded featuring loads of close up detail photos. Here is a link to said album. https://www.flickr.com/photos/55938574@N03/albums/72157636353723096/ Edited April 23 by Will Crompton Typo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) Interesting stuff! Thank you, back in the 1980s there used to be a couple of sidings behind the staff accommodation at Hoo Jcn up yard in Kent used for wagon repairs, next to what we used to know as 'B' reception road......no pictures I'm afraid! Cheers, Jim. Edited January 24 by Jeepy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jeepy said: Interesting stuff! Thank you, back in the 1980s there used to be a couple of sidings behind the staff accommodation at Hoo Jcn up yard in Kent used for wagon repairs, next to what we used to know as 'B' reception road......no pictures I'm afraid! Cheers, Jim. Thanks for this info. 👍 I've managed to track down a couple of pictures of the sidings in question at Hoo Junction from 1987 uploaded to Flickr by Roger Goodrum who I assume took them. Edited January 24 by Will Crompton 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Thank you, yes, that's it! I know Roger Goodrum actually! Wether he would remember me or not I'm not sure!........in the 1st picture 'B' reception is over to the far right, we used to come in off the mainline and into there occasionally or into the main reception roads over on the far left, the picture is facing south towards Higham, Strood etc. The sidings immediately to the right of the buildings were the wagon repair roads. Spent many an hour in there! Cheers! Jim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 On 22/08/2023 at 22:53, Will Crompton said: Here's another view of the wagon repair sidings alongside Blyth Cambois TMD from Ernies Railway Archive Flickr site. I missed this topic first time around. The unusual hopper in internal use is the feature of a scale drawing on page 11 in MERRY-GO-ROUND on the Rails by David Monk-Steel, published by the HMRS https://hmrs.org.uk/merry-go-round-on-the-rails-book.html Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Will Crompton Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 25 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: Although most of my photos are close up of the wagons there is also more general interest in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsstoke https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsstoke/e52cb720e https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bartoncandw https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/yorkwagonworks https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/burtoncw https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/crbombardier https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsswansea https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsradstock https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/procorgloucester https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/standardheywood https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/standardreddish https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ripplecw https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/carlilsecurrock https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/egsteele https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftburry https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcroftsmarch https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/marcrofthealeymills Marcrofts maintenance at Shellhaven https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/oilterminals/ea0644c6 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/oilterminals/e2973779c https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/shellhaven/eaf5a122 But there are other works I haven't sorted such as Exmouth Junction https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=Exmouth but Swindon, Horwich, Hoo Junction and others aren't included and can be searched for. Paul Many, many thanks for the links Paul. They will, I'm sure be very helpful and not just to me I suspect. And many thanks for taking the pictures in the first place. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 As someone currently building a layout based on a wagon works, this thread is very useful Some notes on the subject I had as a draft blog popst that never gotr finished : This post is mainly by way of a clipboard for various links to material on prototype wagon repair facilities in Britain on the post-steam railway. That falls into two distinct periods - the modern image BR era (c1965-c1995), and the post-privatisation era (c1995 to present). Trying to cover nearly 60 years during which a lot has changed on the railways may be a mug's game, but I'm suddenly very aware just how large and how obscure this subject actually is. How can an entire sector of the railway industry - and one that is very much still with us - have gone largely under the radar for over half a century?? Some links to websites of current players: WH Davis "Britain's last remaining independent wagon builder" . Workshops at Langwith Jnc, Shirebrook on the Robin Hood line. Some site photos Davis Wagon Services wagon repair division of WH Davis. Head office at Immingham just outside the Dock area and just down the road from the head office of my late employer... I am not clear if they have any actual rail connected facility in Immingham, or whether the boasted 9 outstation hubs nationwide amount to anything more than lockup compounds with a stores warehouse/office and a couple of vans to attend rail vehicles on site. Possibly any heavy repairs would be carried out at the parent company's Shirebrook works. Harry Needle Railroad Co recently opened wagon repair/stock storage facility at Worksop, redevelopment of former EWS/DB Schenker wagon repair depot (closed 2015). Photos on website. Paul Barlett's wagon site - central page for industrial locations Covers: BR workshops: Burton wagon works, Carlisle Currock wagon works EG Steele : Hamilton wagon works (still in Baker 10th ed 2004) Marcrofts : Stoke (still open 2018), Swansea, Radstock (closed 1988), Burry Port, Healey Mills (still in Baker 10th ed), March. Powell Duffryn : Cardiff Maindy (still open 1992) Procor : Chas Roberts Horbury (still in Baker 10th ed as Bombadier Procor) , Gloucester South Staffs Wagon Works: Tipton (closed 1984) Standard Wagon: Heywood (still open 1989) ; Reddish (still open 1984) Marcrofts: Acquisition by EWS 2006 - Competition Commission report no longer available and OFT document Radstock works site - link has disappeared Warrington - wagon repair sidings (Baker 10th ed) Crewe Gresty Rd (BR) Operator at Ashford Wagon repair 80s - 90s highlights that tanks needed specialist attention at a works Other known closed wagon sites: BR : Ipswich wagon works (closed mid 1980s) ; Peterborough Crescent Wharf (in Baker 10th ed, to EWS - now closed?); York (to Thrall, closed by 2004) Wagon Repair Ltd : Chesterfield works (closed 1988?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 10 hours ago, Ravenser said: As someone currently building a layout based on a wagon works, this thread is very useful Some notes on the subject I had as a draft blog popst that never gotr finished : This post is mainly by way of a clipboard for various links to material on prototype wagon repair facilities in Britain on the post-steam railway. That falls into two distinct periods - the modern image BR era (c1965-c1995), and the post-privatisation era (c1995 to present). Trying to cover nearly 60 years during which a lot has changed on the railways may be a mug's game, but I'm suddenly very aware just how large and how obscure this subject actually is. How can an entire sector of the railway industry - and one that is very much still with us - have gone largely under the radar for over half a century?? Some links to websites of current players: WH Davis "Britain's last remaining independent wagon builder" . Workshops at Langwith Jnc, Shirebrook on the Robin Hood line. Some site photos Davis Wagon Services wagon repair division of WH Davis. Head office at Immingham just outside the Dock area and just down the road from the head office of my late employer... I am not clear if they have any actual rail connected facility in Immingham, or whether the boasted 9 outstation hubs nationwide amount to anything more than lockup compounds with a stores warehouse/office and a couple of vans to attend rail vehicles on site. Possibly any heavy repairs would be carried out at the parent company's Shirebrook works. Harry Needle Railroad Co recently opened wagon repair/stock storage facility at Worksop, redevelopment of former EWS/DB Schenker wagon repair depot (closed 2015). Photos on website. Paul Barlett's wagon site - central page for industrial locations Covers: BR workshops: Burton wagon works, Carlisle Currock wagon works EG Steele : Hamilton wagon works (still in Baker 10th ed 2004) Marcrofts : Stoke (still open 2018), Swansea, Radstock (closed 1988), Burry Port, Healey Mills (still in Baker 10th ed), March. Powell Duffryn : Cardiff Maindy (still open 1992) Procor : Chas Roberts Horbury (still in Baker 10th ed as Bombadier Procor) , Gloucester South Staffs Wagon Works: Tipton (closed 1984) Standard Wagon: Heywood (still open 1989) ; Reddish (still open 1984) Marcrofts: Acquisition by EWS 2006 - Competition Commission report no longer available and OFT document Radstock works site - link has disappeared Warrington - wagon repair sidings (Baker 10th ed) Crewe Gresty Rd (BR) Operator at Ashford Wagon repair 80s - 90s highlights that tanks needed specialist attention at a works Other known closed wagon sites: BR : Ipswich wagon works (closed mid 1980s) ; Peterborough Crescent Wharf (in Baker 10th ed, to EWS - now closed?); York (to Thrall, closed by 2004) Wagon Repair Ltd : Chesterfield works (closed 1988?) Many thanks for posting this helpful list. What is the book (I assume) referenced as 'Baker' as it sound like I should track down a copy. Meanwhile following your mentioning Peterborough Crescent Wharf (which I'm pretty sure has been closed for a while) here is a picture of the facility posted on Flickr by Ernie Puddick. It is part of a small album of pictures of the site he took in 2003. Here's the link to the album. https://www.flickr.com/photos/55938574@N03/albums/72157635957281646/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted January 25 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25 17 minutes ago, Will Crompton said: What is the book (I assume) referenced as 'Baker' as it sound like I should track down a copy. "Baker": https://www.platform5.com/Catalogue/Maps-Atlases-Track-Diagrams/Rail-Atlas-Great-Britain-Ireland-15th-Edition-ORAGBI15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Like this thread! Floats my boat exactly. steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Rich_F Posted January 25 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25 St Blazey wagon shops: Southampton Maritime FL repair depot: Burton repair depot (Nemesis Rail): Doncaster wagon repair depot: Ellesmere Port repair depot: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 What's the current status of Tonbdge West Yard? I recollect Paul Wade's layout included the wagon repair facility. There was a feature on Peterborough Crescent in Model Rail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 53 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: What's the current status of Tonbdge West Yard? I recollect Paul Wade's layout included the wagon repair facility. There was a feature on Peterborough Crescent in Model Rail. Funnily enough , yesterday I came across pictures of a new GB Railfreight building at Tonbridge West and wondered if it was something to do with wagon repair. Does anyone know what it's for? Pictures by Andy Hebden from December 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Crompton Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 59 minutes ago, Rich_F said: St Blazey wagon shops: Southampton Maritime FL repair depot: Burton repair depot (Nemesis Rail): Doncaster wagon repair depot: Ellesmere Port repair depot: Thanks for posting these. There are some interesting pictures of the Ellesmere port facility in the June 2013 edition of Rail Express in the article by David Ratcliffe on wagon repair facilities. It includes a track plan and could form the basis of a nice layout I have always thought. As the picture you have posted shows, it had its own shunter, Ruston and Hornsby 88dS 46626It was called Jake Rail Tank Cleaning Services. There is further information on, and pictures of, this site in David Ratcliffe's book, 'Private Owner Wagons in Colour, (Ian Allan Publishing, 2009). As the name suggests it was used for external and internal cleaning of tank wagons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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