Peterborough North

[great northern]

04/8 under the roof.

and after it has clattered away, Gayton Hall can reverse into the bay, where it will await the arrival of the Birmingham-Ely.

[Oldddudders]

Having an Up loaded coal train clanking through under steam would have really made the waiting passengers suffer much more than a passenger service, I suspect. Not nice.  

[great northern]

The Elizabethan was due, so the photographers rushed up onto Crescent Bridge in order to get some new angles.

 

I'm not at all convinced by their efforts, but as usual I'll put them up and leave it to you.

[St Enodoc]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

The Elizabethan was due, so the photographers rushed up onto Crescent Bridge in order to get some new angles.

 

I'm not at all convinced by their efforts, but as usual I'll put them up and leave it to you.

I think they work well. It's always good to see a fresh angle.

[great northern]

19 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

Having an Up loaded coal train clanking through under steam would have really made the waiting passengers suffer much more than a passenger service, I suspect. Not nice.  

Could there have been a standing instruction to shut off steam while under the canopy, I wonder? There would, I think, have been time to get up to the 20mph PSR after leaving the yards, and coasting a comparatively short distance should not have made much difference. The smoke generated by the pilot while banking or while shunting would have been unavoidable though.

[great northern]

Up in the air still, but a more conventional view of 60013.

while approaching from the other end is the 1045 arrival from Louth, an A5 and three set instead of the rostered DMU again.

 

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

 

 

while approaching from the other end is the 1045 arrival from Louth, an A5 and three set instead of the rostered DMU again.

 

Not rising to the bait. Hopefully Timara will have build a class 114 for you in the near future.

[great northern]

1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Not rising to the bait. Hopefully Timara will have build a class 114 for you in the near future.

Possibly..... one of these days.

[great northern]

Looks like we've climbed up the Spital Bridge Cenotaph here, and can follow the A5 into the station.

and apparently we can safely move a bit further, and see the Elizabethan emerging from the gloom too.

Edited October 3, 2023 by great northern
additional text.

[great northern]

Two more shots of the Elizabethan, just before it accelerates away and out of sight.

 

[trw1089]

It’s good to see that No.13 has a proper 5 chime NZR whistle on it too, though I heard a certain shed master disapproved of it.  Someone had mentioned to me that they thought No.12 had a different whistle from one of the Australian railways (SAR?) but I’ve not seen any evidence of that, nor for No.10 either supposedly having a CPR/CNR whistle.  I believe the original Crosby 3 chimes were derivatives of the 3 chime whistles used by the Pennsylvania RR which maybe where Gresley got the idea from.  He was quite partial to their K4s locomotives (as am I!).

[Tony Wright]

11 hours ago, great northern said:

Two more shots of the Elizabethan, just before it accelerates away and out of sight.

 

Good morning Gilbert,

 

Your 60013 is very convincing (Hornby/Timara?), and just how I remember seeing her on the 'Lizzie' in 1958 (is it the loco I fitted a proper Ian Wilson Pacific Models front numberplate to?).

 

One thing, perhaps, to note is that none of the 'Coronation' A4s ever displayed their worksplates on the cabside (apparently, they were fixed to the inside of the cab roof). They initially carried their respective countries' coats of arms below their numbers, but by 1958 60013 (and 60010) had lost hers; why, I don't know. 

 

 

Here's the prototype, at Eaton Wood in 1958 (please, all, respect copyright restrictions on this image). Note nothing on the cabside beneath the number (and not-shiny whistle). 

 

Since my Little Bytham is set in the '58 same summer as Peterborough North..........

 

 

I also run DOMINION OF NEW ZEALAND (South Eastern Finecast/Wright/Haynes) on the 'Lizzie' from time to time. Note no visible worksplate below the number and not-shiny whistle. 

 

I was aware 60013 had a different whistle from the other A4s, but I cannot tell the visual difference. Did Timara exchange whistles on yours? It's, correctly, not-shiny.

 

60013 is clearly a popular A4............

 

 

I can't remember who brought this modified Hornby one to run on Little Bytham. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[great northern]

69808 will need to get its stock away to Nene sidings soon....

As the Birmingham-Ely is due in just a few minutes.

 

[drmditch]

On 02/10/2023 at 14:40, great northern said:

Could there have been a standing instruction to shut off steam while under the canopy, I wonder? There would, I think, have been time to get up to the 20mph PSR after leaving the yards, and coasting a comparatively short distance should not have made much difference. The smoke generated by the pilot while banking or while shunting would have been unavoidable though.

 

Would not coal dust have been a problem from all those open wagons?

(If one happened to be standing under the roof.)

 

I hope the nice lady in the blue dress on the opposite platform isn't too much affected by this.

[great northern]

4 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Gilbert,

 

Your 60013 is very convincing (Hornby/Timara?), and just how I remember seeing her on the 'Lizzie' in 1958 (is it the loco I fitted a proper Ian Wilson Pacific Models front numberplate to?).

 

One thing, perhaps, to note is that none of the 'Coronation' A4s ever displayed their worksplates on the cabside (apparently, they were fixed to the inside of the cab roof). They initially carried their respective countries' coats of arms below their numbers, but by 1958 60013 (and 60010) had lost hers; why, I don't know. 

 

 

Here's the prototype, at Eaton Wood in 1958 (please, all, respect copyright restrictions on this image). Note nothing on the cabside beneath the number (and not-shiny whistle). 

 

Since my Little Bytham is set in the '58 same summer as Peterborough North..........

 

 

I also run DOMINION OF NEW ZEALAND (South Eastern Finecast/Wright/Haynes) on the 'Lizzie' from time to time. Note no visible worksplate below the number and not-shiny whistle. 

 

I was aware 60013 had a different whistle from the other A4s, but I cannot tell the visual difference. Did Timara exchange whistles on yours? It's, correctly, not-shiny.

 

60013 is clearly a popular A4............

 

 

I can't remember who brought this modified Hornby one to run on Little Bytham. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Yes, Hornby/Timara, and it is indeed the one to which you kindly affixed a proper plate.

[great northern]

1 hour ago, drmditch said:

 

Would not coal dust have been a problem from all those open wagons?

(If one happened to be standing under the roof.)

 

I hope the nice lady in the blue dress on the opposite platform isn't too much affected by this.

Would there have been much dust generated at less than 20mph, I wonder. Both that problem, and that of smoke, could have been avoided by sending coal via the Up slow, but just about every photo I have seen shows them coming through on the main. Going via the slow would have been more time consuming, I would think, and I do wonder how much the chaos which would be caused by a wagon becoming derailed at either end and blocking the whole ECML might have been a factor in deciding only to do that when absolutely necessary.

[31A]

Re A4 whistles, the RCTS "Green Book" Part 2A explains that the original chime whistles were imported from the US; they were replaced with standard LNER whistles during the war as it was thought they could be confused with air raid sirens, and when replaced after the war new ones were made in this country, which sounded a bit different to the original ones.

 

Dominion of Canada was given a Canadian Pacific Railway whistle when it was renamed in 1937, Union of South Africa carried a South African Railways whistle and Dominion of New Zealand had a New Zealand Government Railways whistle.  Commonwealth of Australia was fitted with a multi note whistle in 1960 which came from Captain Howey of the RH&DR who had obtained it from a West Australian loco.

 

My friend John Shaw told me he made Dominion of New Zealand's NZGR whistle for his Hornby A4 detailing project by fitting a slice of thin brass tube with two slots in it over the Hornby whistle.  He also did the roller bearing axle boxes on the tender, then he passed the project to me to finish off.  Neither of us knew about the lack cab side works plate until after I'd finished it!

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by 31A
Found a better photo!

[great northern]

The Stanier tank from the end of Platform 3.

and in number 4 bay, the 1058 to Yarmouth waits.

[Oldddudders]

I have to say that the prototype 60013 pic demonstrates that the stark white of the lamps on most models is a bit idealistic.....

[great northern]

The 9.40 KX-Newcastle is one of Grantham's most prestigious duties, so it is not surprising that their most recently ex works A3 has been given the job. Non stop here, and we have two views at the South end.

 

[jazzer]

On 04/10/2023 at 08:59, 31A said:

 

 

Dominion of Canada was given a Canadian Pacific Railway whistle when it was renamed in 1937, Union of South Africa carried a South African Railways whistle and Dominion of New Zealand had a New Zealand Government Railways whistle.  Commonwealth of Australia was fitted with a multi note whistle in 1960 which came from Captain Howey of the RH&DR who had obtained it from a West Australian loco.

 

 

     The    account goes that Captain Howey, a big fan of the CPR , brought two CPR whistles back from Canada , one of which he gave to Gresley and the other was fitted to the RHDR’s Canadian Pacific “lookalike “ , Winston Churchill. Gresley later sent Howey a whistle not identical but very similar to an A4 whistle which was ( and I believe is still ) fitted to the RHDR’s “Hurricane”. I didn’t know about the Australian one but it seems Howey was rather an avid fan of whistles !

Edited October 5, 2023 by jazzer

[great northern]

Prince of Wales runs on through.

 

Still trying to get the best angle from this side, but it will always be problematic with the strong light behind.

[great northern]

Here's the view you seem to like most, 60054 coming off the dogs leg curve, and about to pass under Spital Bridge, probably enveloping the photographer in a cloud of steam and smoke as it goes.

A lovely sight at the south end. Gayton Hall has backed on, and is ready to start away to Ely.

[great northern]

Off goes 43142 with the Yarmouth. It will come off at South Lynn, its home shed, and another one will take over for the rest of the four hour twenty minute trip.

into Platform 2 and due to stop between 1100 and 1105 is 61098, with Immingham embellishments, and in charge of the Cleethorpes-KX.

[great northern]

More of the Cleethorpes. Head on view...

and waiting for the off.