Peterborough North

[great northern]

The 9.47 Newcastle is next to roll by. A3 Persimmon with some varied stock, which we will look at in more detail later.

 

 

[great northern]

A look at Persimmon moving away from the camera.

 

 

We will look at what is behind the tender tomorrow.

[great northern]

So now to the stock of the 9.47, in its Friday incarnation.

 

 

Just MK1 at the front, but gets much more interesting futher along.

 

 

 

[thegreenhowards]

Gilbert,

 

I love seeing the coaches in detail. The Gresley and Thompson stock looks very fine. Presumably the FO next to the RK would be for dining. Wouldn’t it have been lettered up as a Restaurant Car? I know this is hard to tell from the CWN so I’m just guessing!

 

Andy

[great northern]

1 hour ago, thegreenhowards said:

Gilbert,

 

I love seeing the coaches in detail. The Gresley and Thompson stock looks very fine. Presumably the FO next to the RK would be for dining. Wouldn’t it have been lettered up as a Restaurant Car? I know this is hard to tell from the CWN so I’m just guessing!

 

Andy

I've looked at the CWN, which doesn't help much. There is an a next to the number of seats in the FO, but the info below just says a- unclassed. This part of the train originated at Tyne Commission Quay, so I'd expect to see some posh catering. The RK, if I've read it right, was in use. It was empty and locked when returning from KX on the Thursday, but the book says "for FO 9.47..." so that seems to confirm it.

 

In practical terms, I have just one of these lovely Willets/Studley FOs, and it performs a variety of functions, so I can't restrict it by lettering it as an RC, even if it should be!

[great northern]

So, having seen what Grantham considered to be an appropriate condition for a loco on a relief service, eight minutes later we see what Gateshead felt was OK for the main train, the prestigious 9.55 Up Newcastle.

 

 

[great northern]

Well, there you are, you see. Brian runs a poll on passenger tanks, A5/1 wins it, and a few days later one gets announced RTR. I think we should have some more polls now.

[great northern]

This bright fine morning we have a panorama, taken from the shadow of Crescent Junction box.

 

 

[Mallard60022]

11 hours ago, great northern said:

Well, there you are, you see. Brian runs a poll on passenger tanks, A5/1 wins it, and a few days later one gets announced RTR. I think we should have some more polls now.

I know little about such machines, however I think they have got a winner with that Engine. I think they used to work up around Mansfield in the late 50s? Maybe even as far as Worksop?

P 

[great northern]

58 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said:

I know little about such machines, however I think they have got a winner with that Engine. I think they used to work up around Mansfield in the late 50s? Maybe even as far as Worksop?

P 

They certainly worked to Mansfield until 1956, when the Nottingham Victoria to Mansfield Central line closed to passengers. Definitely to Chesterfield over the LDECR, so through Ollerton and Edwinstowe, but I don't think they would have got to Worksop. Southwell to Rolleston Junction late on, and of course Victoria to both Derby Friargate and Grantham.

 

Lots of work in Lincolnshire, the last being over the LMS from Lincoln St Marks to Nottingham and Derby Midland as late as 1960. Lovely engines, and a personal favourite because of my association with them at Lincoln and Boston, so my pre order has already gone in.

[great northern]

Here is a very nice image, copyright of and by kind permission of Andrew C Ingram.

 

 

Could some erudite person please confirm the identity of the third coach? Not a MK1, is it?

[great northern]

And another Andrew Ingram copyright shot. Yesterday I commented on the very welcome anoouncement of an RTR A5. There has been discussion in the past as to whether Grantham's A5 and L1s worked to PN, with quite a strong view from some people that they did not, or not on a regular basis anyway. Well, I have this in the invaluable British Railways steaming through Peterborough,

 

 

This was taken down by the Nene carriage sidings. The caption says 1957, but it isn't, as the loco has the late crest, which it didn't get till March 1958. Anyway, not just an A5 at PN, but for some reason a Grantham engine on station pilot duty, as evidenced both by the lamps, and by the O target on the buffer beam. Very intriguing. No record that I can find shows 69814 ever being transferred to New England, so why it would be performing this duty I do not know. It is an A5 at PN in my period, which is good enough for me.

[Mallard60022]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

Here is a very nice image, copyright of and by kind permission of Andrew C Ingram.

 

 

Could some erudite person please confirm the identity of the third coach? Not a MK1, is it?

Pullman of some sort? However it hasn't got dead flat sides I don't think? If you enlarge it it can help.  Only other thing I can think of is one of those early Coaches just about the end of its' career if the pic is around 1958? It appears to have 8 windows?

P

Edited August 12, 2021 by Mallard60022
Addition of thoughts.

[great northern]

2 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Pullman of some sort? However it hasn't got dead flat sides I don't think? If you enlarge it it can help.  Only other thing I can think of is one of those early Coaches just about the end of its' career if the pic is around 1958? It appears to have 8 windows?

P

It would be very surprising if it was a Pullman, Phil. I've never seen or heard of one being in the formation of an otherwise ordinary express. The caption says it is 1959, which would be right for the double chimney on 60108, but by that time most of the old pre grouping stock had gone, so I just can't think what it might be.

[31A]

4 hours ago, great northern said:

Here is a very nice image, copyright of and by kind permission of Andrew C Ingram.

 

 

Could some erudite person please confirm the identity of the third coach? Not a MK1, is it?

 

The best I can think of is that it's a Gresley 'end doors' coach of some sort (either Open or End Vestibule) looking odd due to the angle and the way the light falls on it.  Compare the roof and the underframe with the coaches in front for example, but the horizontal beading of the lower panels hasn't been picked up by the camera.

 

[great northern]

Next to head south is a B1 on a Colwick to KX Goods Class F. I had thought its return working would be on the Welwyn Garden City to Colwick Class D which comes through PN early in the evening, but now having looked at the timings properly it is clear it couldn't have done that, which is good, because it means I might get away with two Colwick engines a day. The fact that this is a Lincoln B1 is immaterial. I don't have a Colwick one.... yet.

 

 

[great northern]

2 minutes ago, 31A said:

 

The best I can think of is that it's a Gresley 'end doors' coach of some sort (either Open or End Vestibule) looking odd due to the angle and the way the light falls on it.  Compare the roof and the underframe with the coaches in front for example, but the horizontal beading of the lower panels hasn't been picked up by the camera.

 

it was the apparently different height of the waistbands that worried me Steve, but perhaps, as you say, it is just a trick of the light. Phil counted eight windows, one too many for an end vestibule.

[jazzer]

On 09/08/2021 at 12:14, great northern said:

I suspect that the effects are most likely to be felt further down the line. If, for example, all Immingham's B1s are occupied taking happy holidaymakers to and from Skegness, what motive power will have to be dredged up to handle the locals which they usually monopolise?

 

Which would be the happiest Skeggy passengers, those on the way there, or those on the way back?

 

I don’t know about Skeggy, but from what I observed from Market Rasen , it seems the the soporific effects of an afternoon in the “Jolly Fisherman”, made the journey home from Cleethorpes rather pleasant !

[great northern]

4 minutes ago, jazzer said:

 

I don’t know about Skeggy, but from what I observed from Market Rasen , it seems the the soporific effects of an afternoon in the “Jolly Fisherman”, made the journey home from Cleethorpes rather pleasant !

Market Rasen is pretty soporific itself though.

[jazzer]

5 minutes ago, great northern said:

Market Rasen is pretty soporific itself though.

 

Not if you are a trainspotter on a Bank Holiday Monday  with all the Cleethorpes excursions coming through and a few stopping for water 

[thegreenhowards]

31 minutes ago, great northern said:

it was the apparently different height of the waistbands that worried me Steve, but perhaps, as you say, it is just a trick of the light. Phil counted eight windows, one too many for an end vestibule.

I suspect a Third open, something like a D.186.

 

 

[great northern]

B1 now coming under Crescent Bridge. This is one of the locos which has had a new Bachmann chassis. The good news is that it becomes a useable loco again, but the bad news is that its haulage powers are very limited. This is quite a long train, but all RTR wagons, so not really heavy, but this engine slips like mad when hauling it. 5 coach locals from now on, I think.

 

 

[Mallard60022]

17 hours ago, great northern said:

Market Rasen is pretty soporific itself though.

Not on a Race Day or when that posh Private School gets let out to play.

P

[great northern]

Back to a well cleaned Grantham A3 now. This time it is Knight of Thistle with the Northumbrian.

 

 

This combination of day of the week and date is about my only superstition, so I have been lying low. Successful so far, and only a couple more hours to go.

[great northern]

Same A3, a little further along the way.