RBC Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) Am I right in thinking the Scotrail loco livery is basically Inter City Mainline with the red band changed to blue ? If so, reference current Bachmann 37401 or earlier 37415 and 37431 all in Inter City Mainline Livery. If I were to change the red band to blue and obviously the number/position and add the appropriate Scotrail branding this would replicate the current Locomotives Services repaint of 37409 ? No doubt there may be other minor differences but I'm just looking for the basic change. Not sure if the bottom half grey was a slightly different shade. Edited February 17 by RBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 17 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17 I was wondering the same thing as I fancied doing similar but to my eye the black on 37409 has a bit of a brown tinge to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBC Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 (edited) Yes difficult to see in the available photos. If there was anything minor as you mention I was hoping a light weathering may make it disappear. Also with my limited knowledge of detailing etc just wondering how difficult it would be to change the band colour at the cab doors where there a few turns and twists and also over the bodyside grills. Edited February 17 by RBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Here’s a primitive edit to one of my shots taken the day it left Eastleigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) I remember the class 47 "Charles Rennie Mackintosh" the Scotrail livery 47/4 in around 1988 and the blue was damaged showing the red underneath. It literally had a single blue top coat, I always suspected someone had bought a can of non drip gloss from Mc B&Q and slapped it over the red. Overpainting red with light blue in N or 00 is going to be a nightmare, the strip will look really thick by the time you get enough pigment to stop the red showing through. Paint thickness doesn't scale... The bodyside Black is dark grey. I can't remember any Scotrail livery 37/4s back in the 80s/90s the ones I remember and photographed were mainline or large logo Edited February 18 by DCB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBC Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 (edited) Yes your right they didn't appear in Scotrail livery until now. Good point about the strip being thick with the overpainting. Probably leave it for now, Accurascale might do one 😆 Edited February 18 by RBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I would say the red stripe sits a bit lower on the mainline liveried 37s and the Bachmann release, about two slats so on the visible grilles on Denny's 37409 picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 A few photos from Flickr of what it ought to look like! From Gordon Thompson: From Kevin Delaney: From Ryan Taylor: Looking at the recent photos I think LSL have got the stripe in the same place, it's just the wrong colour! Did any 37s carry the ScotRail branding and red stripe? Some 47s did, like this one in John Turner's photo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18 LSL have purposely painted 37409 in scotrail livery, it’s not a mistake, there hasn’t been one before but it will run with their push pull set 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMSfan72 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 My 401 is on order for exactly this reason. I was going to convert an Accurascale 37409 but even if I have to remove the red stripe and end up repainting the light grey this will be an easier mod than removing the ETH nose connector, cutting in the body side window and still having to do a repaint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMSfan72 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 hours ago, DCB said: I remember the class 47 "Charles Rennie Mackintosh" the Scotrail livery 47/4 in around 1988 and the blue was damaged showing the red underneath. It literally had a single blue top coat, I always suspected someone had bought a can of non drip gloss from Mc B&Q and slapped it over the red. Overpainting red with light blue in N or 00 is going to be a nightmare, the strip will look really thick by the time you get enough pigment to stop the red showing through. Paint thickness doesn't scale... The bodyside Black is dark grey. I can't remember any Scotrail livery 37/4s back in the 80s/90s the ones I remember and photographed were mainline or large logo If happy with the position of the stripe I would apply a decal over the top. I’ve done it on a coach and it covered no problem. Getting it to sit down on the grills will take some doing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18 I’ve just asked my mate at LSL and he says the black does have a tinge of brown to it, I’ll see if I can get the ral code at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25kV Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Some 37s carried INTERCITY Swallow livery (with the white lower body) and some INTERCITY Mainline with the executive light grey lower body. So providing your base model has the creamy lower body, the LSL relivery is just a case of replacing the red stripe, yes. Original ScotRail livery, as on 47/7s etc also had the grey/cream lower body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainlinefreighter58 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, big jim said: I’ve just asked my mate at LSL and he says the black does have a tinge of brown to it, I’ll see if I can get the ral code at some point I thought it was executive dark grey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18 20 minutes ago, Mainlinefreighter58 said: I thought it was executive dark grey? Could well be, I wasn’t exactly technical with my question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25kV Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Executive Dark Grey or possibly Falcon Grey (if I remember the name correctly) which was a very slight (and almost un-noticeable) change of tone for the later IC liveries. Exec was just a little bit green - particularly if it faded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMSfan72 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 20 hours ago, LMSfan72 said: If happy with the position of the stripe I would apply a decal over the top. I’ve done it on a coach and it covered no problem. Getting it to sit down on the grills will take some doing though. Here is the coach I mentioned: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted February 19 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19 I have always considered the ScotRail livery to be identical to the contemporary InterCity livery but with a blue stripe instead of red. I converted a Farish InterCity inspection saloon to to a ScotRail version by applying a blue stripe transfer over the red which, in such a small scale as N seemed to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMSfan72 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Top lamp bracket, nose aerials and numbers removed. Stripe at the ready…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMSfan72 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Little by little: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMSfan72 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I came back to this after I wasn’t happy with the lining sitting on the grills. So, with nothing to lose I just masked off around the red stripe, applied a light grey Vallejo primer and then the blue. No problem at all with covering the red with only relatively light coats 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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