Road Stone Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I seemed to of ended up with a number of bits and pieces in the "Dutch" livery. I have no idea what this means but focus on BR Blue. So can I mix these two liveries up? In my mind my trains are based around 1985 -90. Cheers, Jerry PS I am no rivet counter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hilton Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I seemed to of ended up with a number of bits and pieces in the "Dutch" livery. I have no idea what this means but focus on BR Blue. So can I mix these two liveries up? In my mind my trains are based around 1985 -90. Cheers, Jerry PS I am no rivet counter Hi Jerry. I remember roughly when Dutch livery (named after the Dutch railways livery to which it bore a striking resemblance) was introduced either late 1990 or 1991. I have the Platform 5 spotter books for those years and it doesn't appear in the 1990 book. Basically the livery was the application of a yellow stripe to the BR General livery which was introduced at the back end of the sector liveries (Railfreight triple grey with all the different logos, Intercity, NSE etc - and then there was Mainline (which was like Intercity) for mixed traffic, and general for anything else). So... in short - yes you can - just - as blue stretched well into the 1990s on most classes anyway! Just the 25s and 45s disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Amongst the proliferation of liveries, there came an all-over grey livery. I'd have to search out the relavent 'Rail' to find the exact details. Someone thought the grey looked too 'Utility' and so a yellow band was added to brighten things up. It post-dates the blue era but as has been pointed out, the blue lasted quite a long time, in fact it was occasionally revived! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calnefoxile Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Someone thought the grey looked too 'Utility' and so a yellow band was added to brighten things up. It post-dates the blue era but as has been pointed out, the blue lasted quite a long time, in fact it was occasionally revived! I thought the 'Dutch' livery was bought into distinguish the Engineering stock from the 'normal' Railfreight stock???? But as far as running it with BR Blue, you can mix Dutch with BR Blue because, as has been said before BR Blue didn't die completely until post privatisation. But just remember one thing, Rule 1 applies - It's your trainset Regards Neal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I think the difference in the replies above depends on whether you are talking about the livery as applied to loco's or wagons. On wagons it was introduced in the early 1980s, on loco's it was much later on as per James's post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Stone Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 Thats great folks, thanks. They look good with a blue loco etc. Cheers, Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 BR Blue didn't die completely until post privatisation. It still hasn't! Cheers David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 To a dyed-in-the-wool steam fan, who stopped studying trains at the demise of steam, I still have great difficulty in recognising the classes of diesel locos, and the proliferation of liveries compounds the issue, along with the change from "Dxxx" numbers to (I think) somethig called "TOPS". I think the modern models are superb, but wouldn't have a clue as to what is sensible/right to run alongside what! "Dutch Livery" comes under the heading of "I wondered what that was, but didn't like to ask" and there are many more short-hand terms bandied about to confuse the natives! For instance I know what "Gronk" is, but what is a "Shed"? and Why? To para-phrase an old TV show.... These questions and many others need answers...... Is there a glossary of these terms, and if so where? Or do I just have to hope to pick it up as I go along? Now there's a can of worms..... B) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Okay - why "Dutch" - it's because at the time this livery came out Nederlandse Spoorwagen (hope I spelt that right! ) were painting trains in the style seen here on the 1500 class (ex Woodhead loco): http://busentrein.websitemaker.nl/treinen/396983 back when it was introduced. And as applied to a class 31 over here, you can see the similarities... http://ukrailwaypics.fotopic.net/p34281720.html Shed? Look at the profile of a class 66 head on, and think of a garden shed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Rail magazine July 1990 front cover announced 'New Look Departmental Livery' with a photo of 31541 in 'Dutch' livery. A report in 'Rail' (October 1990) went on to say.... "The mid 1980s onwards has seen an explosion of liveries on Class 47 fleet. However, for 47333, the misery continued with the application of the much critisised Departmental grey livery......fortunately, no. 47333 will soon have the 'Dutch' yellow band applied." In the same issue, Lima referred to it as 'General livery' in their were advertisment for grey Class 31 No.31568. By December. the magazine was reporting : - The first Class 26 to recieve the Civil Engineers yellow and grey livery was no. 26026 which was painted by staff at Eastfield depot in Mid-november 1990. (It carried the roundel Group depot plaques and looked quite neat). Larry G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajdown Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 There's a Youtube video of a 33/1 in blue with a dutch livery engineers train going through Kensington Olympia in 1990 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP82 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Hello all, i'm hoping it's ok to resurrect an old thread. I fancy having a bash at doing 37072 and 73106 in the Engineers allover grey from the late 90s. Does anyone happen to know of a match for the grey from a Halfords rattle can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcm@gwr Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I saw the thread title and thought, it can only be a true Dutch livery, if someone else splits the cost of the repaint with you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 15 hours ago, RP82 said: Hello all, i'm hoping it's ok to resurrect an old thread. I fancy having a bash at doing 37072 and 73106 in the Engineers allover grey from the late 90s. Does anyone happen to know of a match for the grey from a Halfords rattle can? I’m not certain of one - to be fair it’s have to be a pretty dingy car to be painted that colour ! Of course railmatch do the correct colour as an enamel ratttle can if that takes your fancy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6775 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 10/02/2022 at 22:33, RP82 said: Hello all, i'm hoping it's ok to resurrect an old thread. I fancy having a bash at doing 37072 and 73106 in the Engineers allover grey from the late 90s. Does anyone happen to know of a match for the grey from a Halfords rattle can? Sorry don't know about Halfords Rattle can but watch you are doing 37072, if you haven't notice it has two different cabs so needs some surgery. Not just a straight re-paint whatever base model you use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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