bertiedog Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 A slightly different project to run with a Country Donegal Railcar No10, scaled to run on O gauge, which is undersized for the three foot CDR, at 16mm scale, but more convenient track for the owner it's being built for. The Railcar was built a fraction smaller than 16mm standards to get the right look for O gauge, will retaining use of G scale figures etc, so the van is also adjusted a bit to suit the 2 foot 3inch the scale suits on O gauge. The Red Vans were tiny goods vans, ex Clougher Valley, that were used un-braked behind th CDR railcars in County Donegal. They took luggage, produce and parcels, saving using the roof racks on the railcars. Originally fitted as here, with wooden roofs, they later acquired corrugated steel roofs in the 1950's just before final withdrawal of the services. There was also a larger Grey Van that was braked and ran with the larger railcars.. The model is all wood, with some brass trim to be added, an MDF carcass, encased in oak planking, with oak trim around the panels, The MDF is glued and screwed together with brass screws, the oak is glued on. Being assembled at the moment, on it's way to the paint shop later on for a coat of red!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2011 As that US firm tells us - nothing looks as good as wood! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 A shot of the restored Red Van body in Ireland, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 A shot of the restored Red Van body in Ireland..... I think that might be Van no. 84. As a life member, I should really get my CDRRS magazines out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 That's the number 10 railcar, at a secret location now, an all scratchbuilt fully articulated model, runs on O gauge...Hmm if you can confirm the van number it might be useful, I have got to pick one. Stephen. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2011 That's the number 10 railcar, at a secret location now, an all scratchbuilt fully articulated model, runs on O gauge...Hmm if you can confirm the van number it might be useful, I have got to pick one. That looks lovely! I've always had a soft spot for these railcars ever since a chap called G.R Hannan (?) did a couple of 5.5mm/foot CDR layout features in RM about 50 years ago. As far as I could work out, while the CDR had a number of them, they were each unique in detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 Number 10 was the smallest articulated railcar on front side rod bogies, yes, they varied as most were bought secondhand to modify by the CDR. The model is scaled a bit smaller than 16mm as the gauge is smaller than scale 3 foot, using O gauge, but it is still a massive model. The articulated joint has to have a bit larger gap than scale to go around model curves, but it has full interior with the concertina bellows to connect the interior to the drivers compartment, on this version the only way he could get in to the cab,.There is lighting, including the front lamp, and the enthusiastic owner has added a whole car full of passengers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 Some shots from the secret location, of the CDR No10 the Red Van is being built to go with. All scratch built including the wheels, mainly marine ply body, maple roof, steel chassis, brass radiator, and a Buhler motor.....those passengers are a bit wee in size! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 That looks lovely! I've always had a soft spot for these railcars ever since a chap called G.R Hannan (?) did a couple of 5.5mm/foot CDR layout features in RM about 50 years ago. As far as I could work out, while the CDR had a number of them, they were each unique in detail. Mick Thornton's fotopic site has some views of G R Hanan's layout now on display in the Donegal Railway Heritage centre. Mick Thornton's site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 Body progress, working on doors at the moment, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 9, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2011 Mick Thornton's fotopic site has some views of G R Hanan's layout now on display in the Donegal Railway Heritage centre. Mick Thornton's site You are a super chap! Some lovely pics of an inspiring prototype delightfully modelled! Thankyou so much! Of course RM in those days was very much B&W, so the colour adds a lot, too. Thanks for bothering! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castlefinn Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Red Van at Donegal is No12.The thing to watch out for modelling them is that the bodies are the original Clogher items but they were rechassised with Donegal chassis.This means that they possess various braking arrangements depending on the donor vehicle.No12s chassis was of one of the 1893 Oldbury vans with 8shoe clasp brakes,but the single sided hand brake operates on a single shoe,theres a good photo of No12 in Irish Narrow Gauge Rolling Stock,page 15.Hope this is of some use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 13, 2011 Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 Thanks for the information, I assumed the brake was for parking up, as they refer to these small Red vans being used un-braked with the railcars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castlefinn Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 The Red Vans are fully fitted and would have worked with the Railcars as such.The consequences of not doing so are amply illustrated by the fate of the new Rc 19 who tried going through the stops at Ballyshannon as a result of having a couple of Swilly vans on the back with non functioning brakes.Thats why photos of 19 on delivery,she has the same window arrangement as 20,but soon ends up with the 2 full windows on the front.It also explains why you dont see many early 50,s photos with Swilly stock on the Donegal,as they were then banned from the Donegal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 A few more shots, body, doors and the roof, doors attached with small dolls house hinges, with supplied 4m nails, fortunately pin head size, for needed spares! The first roof in plywood warped, so a fully planked one in oak strips over a proper internal frame has been made, all glued with epoxy and superglue, trimmed with oak edges and mahogany veneer on the underside of the planking ends and sides. This lot should not warp! Finishing the body details and underframes next, and top coat painting. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 A bit nearer completion, tidy up and interior details to add, and Yes I know it's on the wrong track, it's built for O gauge and that's gauge one. Certainly dwarfs On30! Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 lovely workmanship...thank you...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 With staff and crates and potato sacks inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkitt Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Stephen, I was wondering which red paint did you use for the railcar and van? Thanks, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 Carmine red matt enamel from Revell, it suited the weathered wooden finish, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkitt Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Thanks for that. I'm glad you didn't use the Phoenix CDR red, which is apparently now out of production. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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