scottishlocos Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hi all I have recently bought the Oxford diecast Military Land Rover Defender is this a suitable model to be transported by rail I suspect that the aerials would put it out of loading gauge are the folded down for transport and can they be removed on the model? Here is the link with a pic http://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/76/Land%20Rover%20Defender.htm Can anybody post a pic of real land rovers in transit on an MOD train i know sometimes they used OCA wagons which is what i plan to use. many thanks Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The Series II was certainly transportable by train on Lowfits, so no need for a well wagon. Aerials either removed or tied down depending on type. The current military Landrover is the Wolf or , and is a bit taller than the old Series II. By how much I'm not sure - my Series II is about 6'7" overall (it doesn't quite fit under the flourescent tubes in a 6'6" headroom multi-storey car park near where I used to live ) , you'd have to Google the manufacturer's spec for the to see how high it is now. The is a shade wider but only a few inches, nowhere near out of gauge width wise. I'm pretty sure Brian Daniels posted some pics of Landies on their way too or from the Gulf, if not on here then on RMweb2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 There was a pick in Model Rail some years ago of an earlier series 3 on a conflat, but I don't recall seeing defenders transported by rail. As you often see convoys of them on the Motorways I would suggest they don't often get railed but that maybe down more to cost as opposed to gauge requirements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted February 8, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hi all I have recently bought the Oxford diecast Military Land Rover Defender is this a suitable model to be transported by rail I suspect that the aerials would put it out of loading gauge are the folded down for transport and can they be removed on the model? Here is the link with a pic http://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/76/Land%20Rover%20Defender.htm Can anybody post a pic of real land rovers in transit on an MOD train i know sometimes they used OCA wagons which is what i plan to use. many thanks Dave Dave, As an ex military signaller and having served at the Vehicle Depot at Ashchurch back in the 90s, I can probably answer both questions. a. Any FFR (Fitted For Radio) vehicle only has the aerial bases and the respective racking and wiring looms fitted to the vehicle when issued from stock. All the other bits, such as the whip antenna, radio, headsets etc are all held separately by the QM or Tech QM and are fitted to the vehicle when it arrives at the unit. The antenna plug into the bases and are secured with a clamp and wing nut. When the radios are not in use the antenna are removed....otherwise they'd get 'liberated'. I don't know what the current state of the military landrover fleet is, but if it is anything like it was in the 70/80/90s then the vast majority of the fleet was not FFR. b. When we were loading trains we were usually putting the outgoing stock on standard BR carflats. These were generally destined for overseas locations, rather than within the UK. Armour which went from the sub depot at Ludgershall, would be loaded onto the appropriate wagon to keep it within gauge. c. Can't supply you with pictures of the depot workings as they were banned on the grounds of potential security breaches. (Not the vehicles on the train, but the makeup of the internal layout of the depot. Regards Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Do these help? http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/p49771874.html http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/p49771865.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishlocos Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hi all Thanks to all who replied for the interesting details provided and the pics do indeed help an article in Rail Express modeller says that Land Rovers were loaded onto OCA wagonsbecause they have the dropside the Land Rovers could just be driven on but I have never seen pictures of this only of Land Rovers on the warflat type that Glorious NSE has posted. Iam modelling 90's and 2000's i know that OCA wagons are regular in MOD trains but not if they were ever used for Land Rovers many thanks Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I have seen shots on OCAs, but haven't taken any - have a feeling they may have been from Brian Daniels' excellent work...let me have a look-see.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Yep - start from this page and go forwards and there's assorted military hardware in OCA's including landies - not all of it's the same shape it was when it was built though! http://briandaniels.fotopic.net/c1900115_121.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmg Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 On Warflats they are inside the OO loading gauge. I don't know about OCA use but would be interested. Nice models from Oxford. Now I need some weathering, chocks and straps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 8, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 8, 2011 Do these help? http://ukrailrolling.../p49771874.html http://ukrailrolling.../p49771865.html I noticed the pressed steel 'ramps(?)' used fore and aft of the Land Rover wheels. Does anyone know if models are available of these (perhaps etched metal)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43110andyb Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I could not find any OCA photos but these are two good shots of Land Rovers on lowfits. May be a bit out of era vac braked. http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p467759.html and http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p467758.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I see Martyn has put a link up to my website, that should keep you busy for a while. The only Land Rovers that I have seen with a restriction for loading are the Ambulance one's with a large "dog kennel" on the back that have to go on Warwells. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishlocos Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hi all Thanks again for helping me out with this one Brian your pic 112202 shows exactly what I was looking for green Land Rovers on an EWS OCA! The pic of desert Land Rovers and some other MOD vehicles are very usefull too kind regards and thanks Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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