New Cambrian kits at Nottingham Show

[karabuni]

At the Nottingham Show (19th/20th March), we'll have some new kits on sale:

 

C83 LNER Quint D. This is the wood-bodied type, with moveable end bolsters, although the earlier (1929) ones can be modelled with a modification to the floor.

This is a pre-production picture, and this model has BR Bolster D solebars. The production kits will have their own solebars with LNER detailing.

 

C97 GWR O30 steel open wagon. Although there were only 50 of these, the body is unusual for a steel wagon in having diagonal strapping, making it different from the majority of steel wagon bodies. The kit has our 10ft. wheelbase "one-piece" underframe.

 

C99 BR Bolster D unfitted with LNER Diamond Bogies. 200 of these were built in 1950/51. Ask us nicely, and you can have the bolster mouldings from the Quint D instead, for building the late-built LNER Quints that had steel bodies (we don't intend to include this in our standard range).

 

It's probably possible to use a combination of mouldings from the Quint D and BR Boplate E, to make an LNER Boplate, but I haven't made a list of which bits are needed yet, but will do so if anyone wants to give it a try - the price would be the same as a Boplate E.

 

Next up, it really will be the Sturgeon kit, honest! (Perhaps in time for ExpoEM)

The solebar mould for the Sturgeon will have space on it for the possibly addition of solebars for the SR bogie rail wagons - no connection with Sturgeons, just that both wagons need a long mould.

 

Barry

Cambrian Models

[Guest Max Stafford]

Cheers Barry. Looking forward to the Sturgeon and Bobol D.

Are you still doing A-type containers?

 

Dave.

[26power]

Good to see new wagon kits being offered!

 

Thanks,

 

26power

 

 

[karabuni]

Cheers Barry. Looking forward to the Sturgeon and Bobol D.

Are you still doing A-type containers?

 

Dave.

 

 

Yes, we are still doing them - C31 A-type Container. Transfers are available from Cambridge Custom Transfers on sheet BL40.

 

Barry,

Cambrian

[hmrspaul]

At the Nottingham Show (19th/20th March), we'll have some new kits on sale:

 

C83 LNER Quint D. This is the wood-bodied type, with moveable end bolsters, although the earlier (1929) ones can be modelled with a modification to the floor.

This is a pre-production picture, and this model has BR Bolster D solebars. The production kits will have their own solebars with LNER detailing.

 

C99 BR Bolster D unfitted with LNER Diamond Bogies. 200 of these were built in 1950/51. Ask us nicely, and you can have the bolster mouldings from the Quint D instead, for building the late-built LNER Quints that had steel bodies (we don't intend to include this in our standard range).

 

It's probably possible to use a combination of mouldings from the Quint D and BR Boplate E, to make an LNER Boplate, but I haven't made a list of which bits are needed yet, but will do so if anyone wants to give it a try - the price would be the same as a Boplate E.

 

Next up, it really will be the Sturgeon kit, honest! (Perhaps in time for ExpoEM)

The solebar mould for the Sturgeon will have space on it for the possibly addition of solebars for the SR bogie rail wagons - no connection with Sturgeons, just that both wagons need a long mould.

 

Barry

Cambrian Models

Barry

Wonderful,

"LNER Bogie Plate and Bogie Bolsters YVO YNO" (C#1861395) – 31 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1861395.html

I have been trying for 20 years to get someone to realise that the LNER/BR/EWS frame which began with the Quint D is incredibly useful - I saw a rake rattle rapidly through York station yesterday morning! Julie remembered we saw them being rebuilt at Ashford in 1977! Now called BDA, but the frames are just the same design as the pre-nat steel BDO and came from the BR BDOs (not the LMS design)!

"BR Bogie Bolster D Diag 1/472 LNER diamond BDO" (C#1491839) – 17 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1491839.html

BR Bogie Bolster D, Diag 1/472, unfit, Plate bogie, BDO - 88 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1489637.html

"BR Bogie Bolster D Diag 1/472 Davis BDV BDW JMV YYW" (C#1487553) – 22 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1487553.html

"BR Bogie Bolster D Diag 1/478 Plateback BDV JMV YYW" (C#1487109) – 37 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1487109.html

"BR Bogie Bolster D Diag 1/484 Gloucester BDV JMV BDW" (C#1486799) – 61 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1486799.html

"BR air braked Bogie bolster D, hand wheel brake BDA, BEA, BTA, YAA," (C#1268133) – 79 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1268133.html

"BR air braked Bogie bolster D, lever brake BDA, BEA, BFA, BMA, BTA, YAA, YVA," (C#1267505) – 154 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1267505.html

BSW & BSR Bogie bolster D Timber wagons" (C#562810) – 10 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c562810.html

 

As is the Trestle - as built by BR, rebuilt by BR and ended up as flats and various other items!

"BR Trestle ED diag 2/491, 3, 5" (C#1085480) - 13 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1085480.html

BR Air brake Trestrol, and coil runner, XVA, RRA, BOA, RXA BXA (C#1084882) – 71 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1084882.html

 

And the BR Boplate - which of course were rebuilt as BPA.

"BR unfitted Bogie Plate wagons" (C#858005) – 81 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c858005.html

"BR Vacuum brake Boplate and conversions" (C#867530) – 78 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c867530.html

BR Boplate as Conflat ISO for Coil – 8 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c151690.html

BR Air braked Boplates and conversions" (C#872007) BPA BMA YNA – 33 photographs

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c872007.html

 

I've told the story elsewhere, but when we were measuring we quickly realised we were remeasuring precisely the same underframe over again - rivet for rivet.

 

Oh if only someone would do the same in 7mm - I know there are etch kits available but.....

 

Paul Bartlett

[hmrspaul]

At the Nottingham Show (19th/20th March), we'll have some new kits on sale:

 

C97 GWR O30 steel open wagon. Although there were only 50 of these, the body is unusual for a steel wagon in having diagonal strapping, making it different from the majority of steel wagon bodies. The kit has our 10ft. wheelbase "one-piece" underframe.

 

Barry

Cambrian Models

Barry

I have posted a 1967 photograph of one of these - http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p48588392.html Not very good - a difficult scan from a poor print, but does show that they can be used until the end of Steam.

 

Paul Bartlett

[(The) Youth]

Barry,

 

Any news on the Parr?

 

Thanks, Simon

[Bernard Lamb]

Thanks for posting the good news Barry.

I have been waiting for the Quint.

It looks to have great potential for a bit of mix and match.

Are the diamond frame bogies one piece like the plate bogies? I found these very easy to assemble and they run very well.

Bernard

[karabuni]

Thanks for posting the good news Barry.

I have been waiting for the Quint.

It looks to have great potential for a bit of mix and match.

Are the diamond frame bogies one piece like the plate bogies? I found these very easy to assemble and they run very well.

Bernard

 

The LNER bogies are indeed one-piece (except axle-boxes). Available separately as C94.

 

PARR:

(The) Youth asked:

Any news on the Parr?

 

Thanks, Simon

 

No, not yet. Have plenty of prototype pictures from Paul Wade. Will do it one day.

 

Quint D (Paul B. )

 

Thanks for the listing. Fotopic isn't working this afternoon. I tried earlier to look at your Quint pictures, but OpenDNS says "Hmm, fotopic.net isn't loading right now. The computers that run fotopic.net are having some trouble. "

(probably a server failure)

 

Does the LNER drawing you have (?) say 106 or 105? Looks like 106, but Tatlow's book says 105. (for the instruction notes)

 

 

Barry,

Cambrian

[Guest Phil]

Hi Barry

 

I appreciate you are busy with some really useful kits on the way.

Can I please ask about the prospects of theTimber wagon Dia 1/420 ?

 

Having trawled around the thread and link posted about BRCWs in Leicestershire and finding this piccy (bottom right hand corner).

 

http://www.gcrleicester.info/assets/images/025_17_.jpg

 

 

Still struggling with the notion that the Dia 1/420s built in Ashford appear to have been very very similar to the BSCO tube carriers in the BSCO 40xx series.

[karabuni]

Hi Barry

 

I appreciate you are busy with some really useful kits on the way.

Can I please ask about the prospects of theTimber wagon Dia 1/420 ?

 

Having trawled around the thread and link posted about BRCWs in Leicestershire and finding this piccy (bottom right hand corner).

 

http://www.gcrleicester.info/assets/images/025_17_.jpg

 

 

Still struggling with the notion that the Dia 1/420s built in Ashford appear to have been very very similar to the BSCO tube carriers in the BSCO 40xx series.

 

The D1/420 is still on the list of proposed kits, but I haven't started on any moulds for it.

Interesting picture of the timber yard in Leicester. Possibly this was a destination for timber imported via east coast ports.

 

The tube wagons were, I think, slightly longer than D1/420 - but perhaps there were two types (I'm doing this from memory!). There's a picture of a wagon at Boston (can't remember what web site), which might be one of the tube wagons, but seems to be internal user at the docks -greyish blue livery - in the company of a Class 20, and in front of a Class 40 (? - well it's got lots of wheels).

 

 

Barry,

Cambrian

[Fat Controller]

The D1/420 is still on the list of proposed kits, but I haven't started on any moulds for it.

Interesting picture of the timber yard in Leicester. Possibly this was a destination for timber imported via east coast ports.

 

The tube wagons were, I think, slightly longer than D1/420 - but perhaps there were two types (I'm doing this from memory!). There's a picture of a wagon at Boston (can't remember what web site), which might be one of the tube wagons, but seems to be internal user at the docks -greyish blue livery - in the company of a Class 20, and in front of a Class 40 (? - well it's got lots of wheels).

 

 

Barry,

Cambrian

A lot of the BSCO tubes were lengthened at some point; the initial ones were similar in length to the 1/420s. Prior to the introduction of the 1/420s, there had been some private-owner wagons working from the East Anglian ports to the East Midlands- I believe they were owned by a firm in the Chesterfield area. These latter were built on former LMS 'Long Low' underframes, IIRC.

I've just looked on the Barrowmere site:-

BR 1/420- 14'0" (4267mm) wb ;27'1½"(8268mm) over headstocks

BSCO as built:- 4267mm wb; 8255mm over headstocks

BSCO rebuilt:- 6705mm wb; 10108mm over headstocks

So the as-built BSCO wagons were the same wheelbase as the 1/420, and ½" longer over headstocks..

I wonder what the running gear differences might be?

[hmrspaul]

A lot of the BSCO tubes were lengthened at some point; the initial ones were similar in length to the 1/420s. Prior to the introduction of the 1/420s, there had been some private-owner wagons working from the East Anglian ports to the East Midlands- I believe they were owned by a firm in the Chesterfield area. These latter were built on former LMS 'Long Low' underframes, IIRC.

I've just looked on the Barrowmere site:-

BR 1/420- 14'0" (4267mm) wb ;27'1½"(8268mm) over headstocks

BSCO as built:- 4267mm wb; 8255mm over headstocks

BSCO rebuilt:- 6705mm wb; 10108mm over headstocks

So the as-built BSCO wagons were the same wheelbase as the 1/420, and ½" longer over headstocks..

I wonder what the running gear differences might be?

 

There are photographs of the 'original' and lengthened BSCO Tube at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bscotube. These can be compared with the drawing and photograph of 1/420 on page 72 of Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. There are very strong similarities, including brake rigging. However, the side stanchions and location points differ, as do the buffers (all my photos of 420s have Oleo pneumatic buffers).

 

These BSCO tubes were not new to BSC. The 20 4000-19 were built as 15 ton Timber wagons for J H Davies by Standard Wagon in 1966. They were registered BRM187388 - 427 (40 wagons) and it is possible that they were similar to the BR Ashford wagons and the stanchions were modified (strengthened) for the tube traffic. I have not seen photographs or a drawing of the Davies wagons (the Leicester photo is not loading for me at present). In Tandy, David W. (2009) Standard Railway Wagon Co. Heywood Works. Ty Mawr Publications ISBN 09552354-2-1 he suggests all 40 were transferred to BSCO in 1971 with 20 being lengthened in 1975, whereas the information I have from the registration book mentions 20 (of the 40) being transferred in 1975 as 4000 - 19 (the short ones).

 

Paul Bartlett

[karabuni]

Thanks for posting the details, Paul.

 

Couldn't get onto RMweb this afternoon - not loading. Have been watching London trouble this evening - two of our sons live there - so now it's got a bit late.

One son has been contacted (Peckham) and said he was watching BBC news and realised the helicopter he could hear overhead was where the news pictures were coming from. Fortunately, he's off to Aberdeen tomorrow for a fortnight.

 

Anyway, as Paul says the differences between the 1/420 and the BSCO Davies wagons seem to be the buffers, type of stanchion mounting (and position of outer ones), and the floor battens which were all the same size on the BSCOs. Also on these, because the outer stanchion sockets (empty in photos) are nearer the ends, the vertical part of the end support is also nearer the end (behind the plate for the no. etc., and the lower strut for the end (up to the solebar) is also shorter and at a steeper angle.

 

There's quite a good square-on picture of a BSCO wagon in David Larkin's "Private Owner Wagons on British Railways" (Bradford Barton). Rutland Railway Museum has one of the lengthened wagons.

 

If the kit mouldings have the "different" components - buffers/end struts/stanchions - on a separate sprue, it should be possible to provide for doing the tube wagon later. The floor battens might mean having an alternative half for the floor mould. There only having been 20 wagons should lessen the chances of RTR makers getting interested.

 

The Sturgeon is progressing slowly. It has been useful to have the site survey drawings made, I think, by the BR Wagons book team (?) - they came via David Monk-Steel. There's a few places where some measurements seem to have been missed, but these can be worked out from photos. I hope to post a picture of the model without its doors & ends, once the bogie sides are done.

 

Barry,

Cambrian

 

P.S. There's another thread I started yesterday with recent kits shown, plus forthcoming LMS vans:

New Cambrian Kits + fine chain

[hmrspaul]

Thanks for posting the details, Paul.

 

 

Anyway, as Paul says the differences between the 1/420 and the BSCO Davies wagons seem to be the buffers, type of stanchion mounting (and position of outer ones), and the floor battens which were all the same size on the BSCOs. Also on these, because the outer stanchion sockets (empty in photos) are nearer the ends, the vertical part of the end support is also nearer the end (behind the plate for the no. etc., and the lower strut for the end (up to the solebar) is also shorter and at a steeper angle.

 

There's quite a good square-on picture of a BSCO wagon in David Larkin's "Private Owner Wagons on British Railways" (Bradford Barton). Rutland Railway Museum has one of the lengthened wagons.

 

If the kit mouldings have the "different" components - buffers/end struts/stanchions - on a separate sprue, it should be possible to provide for doing the tube wagon later. The floor battens might mean having an alternative half for the floor mould. There only having been 20 wagons should lessen the chances of RTR makers getting interested.

 

 

I have posted the few photographs I have of the diagram 1/420 wagons at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/timber . Unfortunately I never saw them in their original mode.

Also we (the HMRS BR Wagons book team) did measure the long BSCO wagon at Corby although I don't know whom has the site survey drawings.

 

 

The Sturgeon is progressing slowly. It has been useful to have the site survey drawings made, I think, by the BR Wagons book team (?) - they came via David Monk-Steel. There's a few places where some measurements seem to have been missed, but these can be worked out from photos. I hope to post a picture of the model without its doors & ends, once the bogie sides are done.

Which Sturgeon are you doing? I have some detail photographs which I don't think I have posted, and I cannot remember if I was involved with the measuring (I did do the Dolphin and the Pilchard (which is rather more modeller friendly).

 

Barry,

Cambrian

 

P.S. There's another thread I started yesterday with recent kits shown, plus forthcoming LMS vans:

New Cambrian Kits + fine chain

 

Paul Bartlett

[karabuni]

I have posted the few photographs I have of the diagram 1/420 wagons at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/timber . Unfortunately I never saw them in their original mode.

Also we (the HMRS BR Wagons book team) did measure the long BSCO wagon at Corby although I don't know whom has the site survey drawings.

 

Which Sturgeon are you doing? I have some detail photographs which I don't think I have posted, and I cannot remember if I was involved with the measuring (I did do the Dolphin and the Pilchard (which is rather more modeller friendly).

 

Paul Bartlett

 

David Radcliffe's book "Modern PO Wagons on British Railways (PSL, 1989) says that the Davies wagons were transferred to BS in 1971, and were renumbered to BSCO 4000-19 in 1974. The rebuilt wagons also seem to had the ends raised slightly, with sloping tops at the corners, rather than having the existing ends bevelled to make the slopes.

On looking at it again, the wagon at Boston Docks is a home-made unfitted timber wagon, and not one of either 1/420 or the Davies wagons.

 

The Sturgeon is the seven door "A".

I have a CD of various wagon pictures including many Sturgeons, assembled by ? (no names, no pack drill on the nearby Lydd Ranges). Of them only a couple show details - an end-on view, and the bogie.(of DB994865). I also have some pictures I took of the wagon at Dereham. At the moment, I'm thinking of not including the crossbars of the racks, but will how obvious it is if they're not there when the bogies are done, and a model can be put on the track. I think the sides of of the lockers are needed though.

If you have any pictures of the racks, they would be useful if I do decide to include them.

 

Your picture of DB994499 seems to be of a Sturgeon as part of a permanently coupled set, as it hasn't got the raised part of the headstock that would have carried the buffers and coupling - neither has the adjacent wagon.

 

Barry.

[(The) Youth]

Hi Barry,

 

Will it be possible to do the sturgeon with doors removed from the kit ala - http://www.evr-cumbr...30_23May10c.JPG ?

 

Thanks, Simon

[karabuni]

Hi Barry,

 

Will it be possible to do the sturgeon with doors removed from the kit ala - http://www.evr-cumbr...30_23May10c.JPG ?

 

Thanks, Simon

 

So that's where Sturgeons go to die.

 

Yes, it will. All the bits above the solebar & headstock will be separate to the lower part of the wagon.

The ends (above the headstock) and sides will be separate to the solebar and headstock. If possible, the end panels between the removable stanchions on the raised headstock will be in the same number of pieces as the real wagons, and hopefully it will be possible to fit the lower hinged part in its laid flat position overhanging the headstock.

 

Quite a few of the bodiless wagons had their door springs cut off at the lower edge of the solebar, and these will either have to be cut before fixing, or fixed and then cut off (just like the real thing). There'll also be separate winches for the strapping. Some of the positions used for these will need detail on the solebar removed, as the winches were fitted where there used to be hinges - on the picture linked in your post, the first winch is on the centre door hinge position, and the second one is in place of the right hand hinge of the second door.

 

The hinge detail on the solebar is being done as it is on doorless wagons, and the doors will have downwards projections which will, in theory, line up with the hinges to make them look as though they're fitted in the sockets. The doors will be done as 2x three doors with two stanchions, and a centre door with a stanchion at each end. I had thought of making the doors and stanchions individually, but decided that it would make the side rather flimsy and tiresome to assemble. The semi-circular door bangers will be separate pieces.

 

It is also intended to include the stanchions for the sleeper wagon conversion. Modellers that want them will have to make their own versions of the varied stuff that was stuck on top of the wagons.

 

Barry,

Cambrian

[hmrspaul]

 

Your picture of DB994499 seems to be of a Sturgeon as part of a permanently coupled set, as it hasn't got the raised part of the headstock that would have carried the buffers and coupling - neither has the adjacent wagon.

 

Barry.

I agree, unfortunately I do not appear to have noted the other half of this set http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h18ab6c77#h18ab6c77 - but this is probably it http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h7315cd3#h7315cd3

 

Your description of the forthcoming model is very interesting, a lot of fore thought which should make modelling quite a lot of the different modifications possible http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon

 

Paul Bartlett

[(The) Youth]

Barry,

 

Thanks for the information, sounds like its going to be another excellent kit

 

Cheers, Simon

[karabuni]

I agree, unfortunately I do not appear to have noted the other half of this set http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h18ab6c77#h18ab6c77 - but this is probably it http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h7315cd3#h7315cd3

 

Your description of the forthcoming model is very interesting, a lot of fore thought which should make modelling quite a lot of the different modifications possible http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon

 

Paul Bartlett

 

Indeed it is. DB994499 seems to have the usual raised headstock/buffers at the far end, whereas DB994523, which is semi-permanently coupled to it, has none. Your picture of Grampus DB990501 is the wagon that also semi-permanently coupled to the Sturgeons. Presumably they carried some item of wheeled plant that was loaded from the end, after moving the Grampus out of the way.

 

Barry,

Cambrian

[Southernman46]

Hi All,

 

The Cambrian website is showing the Sturgeon kit as released and it looks very good..........

[deltic79]

Hi All,

 

The Cambrian website is showing the Sturgeon kit as released and it looks very good..........

 

Yes I saw it at Nottingham and it looked just as good up close. The BMA is progressing too and I think just needs the bolsters tooling.

[26power]

Link, with some other news:

http://www.cambrianmodels.co.uk/wagon_kits_4mm.html

 

cheers,

26power

[Guest jim s-w]

Hi All,

 

The Cambrian website is showing the Sturgeon kit as released and it looks very good..........

 

It is. Here's a pic of mine in progress.

 

 

I replaced the buffer heads and the far end is incomplete due to a part being missing. Barry sent me a spare straight away, no problems at all so a special thanks for that. Can't fault the customer service.

 

I will definitely be getting more of them.

 

Cheers

 

Jim