55016 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Hi, I'm looking to source some (preferably working) headlights that were the Inverness based class 26s and Eastfield/Inverness class 37s during the 1980s - in the latter case the circular headlights fitting with a bracket, not the high intensity versions fitted to the refurbished versions. So far I've struggled to source anyone that supplies these. If anyone could point me in the right direction or provide some advice on making me own that would be hugely appreciated.... Ta, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I have to say I agree: Yes, I know it's work in progress and the wrong class, but it is the correct depot and car headlamp principle. These are from a Cararama VW Beetle, and to date I have harmed six of said vehicles equipping my Highland Baby Sulzers. The good thing about this solution is that the component comes with a separate chrome bezel/ escutcheon, as per the real thing. Also, although mine aren't being lit at this stage, the individual lamps are translucent so would lend themselves to back-illumination. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 You don't say what scale you are working in, but A1 did do the non working ones for the 37's, they were subtly different to the ones used on the 26's as the 37's were mounted on a bracket and were much more proud of the front of the loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Davidjsmith Posted June 6, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 6, 2011 sorry if a little off topic I have two Heljan 26's & a 24/1 conversion with Heljan lights fitted.would these be able to be backlit?Anyone done it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteen 12by 10s Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Hi I have a photo of the type fitted to the class 37s, this one on the preserved 37190, these were Wipack Harerazor lights. Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew F Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 It would be hard to illuminate a pair of headlamps on the Heljan 26 as the optic for the top disc runs right behind where they'd fit. I had a bit of a go by drilling out the apertures and letting in some plastic tube; the tail lamps bled into the headlamps and only worked in reverse . I guess an led rewire would be on the cards and ditch those optics that usually fall to bis anyway. You get 4 clear plastic headlamps with 26121 (26027); I think it's the only Helly 26 that has them in the detail pack (If you're lucky!) Part 11 it is but Howes don't stock it. I actually prefer the look of Chards car lamps; after all, I bet they were only Austin car headlamps on the loco's. The 24/1 would be an easier prospect to have working headlamps, by modifying the plastic lighting unit in the Bachmann nose and letting the light from the central disc leds bleed into them Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I actually prefer the look of Chards car lamps; after all, I bet they were only Austin car headlamps on the loco's. Why thank you! They were actually Morris Minor headlamps in reality, but the 1:72 vee-dub is only a fraction of a mm too large in diameter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
55016 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 6, 2011 Thanks for all your responses. Sorry I forgot to say modelling in 4mm. Liking the idea from Chard for my 26s, but definetly need to check how feasible this is with light bleed. The two blue Heljan 26s both came with the plastic headlights, but don't particularly look good. Thanks 37114 for the suggestion on A1 models. MG Sharp's website does list but on available to order basis. Gary, sure I've seen a photo of 37027 on Glenuig with headlight 'blazing' - was this an A1 fitting? There were some interesting variances on location of the headlights, especially on the split box locos, including 37114 with it mounted on the bonnet! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Liking the idea from Chard for my 26s, but definetly need to check how feasible this is with light bleed. The two blue Heljan 26s both came with the plastic headlights, but don't particularly look good. The assembly is fiddly (you end up balancing the bevel in the drilled hole), interference fit being critical, and then gluing. The benefit is that you could easily treat the inside cab front locally, with paint most probably, to prevent the bleed. Don't forget that while these were brighter than simple marker lights, they were nowhere near as intense as the bespoke High Intensity Lights that later became mandatory. So for realism, the entire Heljan wattage needs taming! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteen 12by 10s Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Gary, sure I've seen a photo of 37027 on Glenuig with headlight 'blazing' - was this an A1 fitting? Dave Hi the headlights are scratch “made†and are turned out of some clear plastic rod, this has been painted with a thick layer of black paint around the outside. They fit into a small hole in the nose and are light by a LED. Getting the LED in was challenging and I had to counter bore the back of the nose front to make room. Hope this helps Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 06/06/2011 at 12:18, 'CHARD said: I have to say I agree: Yes, I know it's work in progress and the wrong class, but it is the correct depot and car headlamp principle. These are from a Cararama VW Beetle, and to date I have harmed six of said vehicles equipping my Highland Baby Sulzers. The good thing about this solution is that the component comes with a separate chrome bezel/ escutcheon, as per the real thing. Also, although mine aren't being lit at this stage, the individual lamps are translucent so would lend themselves to back-illumination. Hi Chard Are the headlights you used from the Beetle the type with or without the chrome bezel? Regards Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 hours ago, sulzer71 said: Hi Chard Are the headlights you used from the Beetle the type with or without the chrome bezel? Regards Dave With the bezel, you can just make it out in the picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) On 06/06/2011 at 13:28, Andrew F said: It would be hard to illuminate a pair of headlamps on the Heljan 26 as the optic for the top disc runs right behind where they'd fit. I had a bit of a go by drilling out the apertures and letting in some plastic tube; the tail lamps bled into the headlamps and only worked in reverse . I guess an led rewire would be on the cards and ditch those optics that usually fall to bis anyway. You get 4 clear plastic headlamps with 26121 (26027); I think it's the only Helly 26 that has them in the detail pack (If you're lucky!) Part 11 it is but Howes don't stock it. I actually prefer the look of Chards car lamps; after all, I bet they were only Austin car headlamps on the loco's. The 24/1 would be an easier prospect to have working headlamps, by modifying the plastic lighting unit in the Bachmann nose and letting the light from the central disc leds bleed into them Cheers Andy Hi Andrew Yes perhaps difficult but it's possible to fit working "Car" type spotlights to HJ Class 26's. The main issue is the lack of clearance due to the light guide for the top marker light. The 3 locos in the photo all have full LED replacement lighting, with new LED twin spot lights on 26 035. The spot light housings were made using cut-down/drilled out Peco R15 Nylon ? wagon wheel bearings with slices of Fiber optic cable as lenses (blobs of Araladite as I found out later) being far quicker. They are lit with 0603 SMD Warm White LED's which just fit inside, using 0403 sized LED's would be easier, but extremely difficult to solder, unless sourced pre-wired with very fine magnet wire. The 37 uses a similar arrangement for the spot light wired into the nose circuit boards, or on DCC can be powered via a spare function output for independent control. For more details see my WB thread: The Northern Lights HTH Ken Edited February 25, 2020 by tractor_37260 add text 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted February 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 hours ago, tractor_37260 said: Hi Ken Impressive work, the results look first class. Do you, or anyone else for that matter, have any suggestions on the bracketed lights that Inverness based locos received such as the one on 37017 below? Apart from your work above, the best that I have seen are the lights Lee Edmondson supplies and fits but these do'nt appear to have a bracket. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 7 hours ago, 'CHARD said: With the bezel, you can just make it out in the picture. Thought so , thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 25/02/2020 at 00:57, tractor_37260 said: Hi Andrew Yes perhaps difficult but it's possible to fit working "Car" type spotlights to HJ Class 26's. The main issue is the lack of clearance due to the light guide for the top marker light. The 3 locos in the photo all have full LED replacement lighting, with new LED twin spot lights on 26 035. The spot light housings were made using cut-down/drilled out Peco R15 Nylon ? wagon wheel bearings with slices of Fiber optic cable as lenses (blobs of Araladite as I found out later) being far quicker. They are lit with 0603 SMD Warm White LED's which just fit inside, using 0403 sized LED's would be easier, but extremely difficult to solder, unless sourced pre-wired with very fine magnet wire. The 37 uses a similar arrangement for the spot light wired into the nose circuit boards, or on DCC can be powered via a spare function output for independent control. For more details see my WB thread: The Northern Lights HTH Ken Hi Ken Re the class 26 Headlights , there are pre wired 0402 smds available on ebay , the voltage is 2.8-3.4v , would that be suitable for use? Regards Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, sulzer71 said: Hi Ken Re the class 26 Headlights , there are pre wired 0402 smds available on ebay , the voltage is 2.8-3.4v , would that be suitable for use? Regards Dave Hi Dave If you post the eBay link for them, I'll have a look......... 0603 SMD's could also be used, but are a pretty tight fit, but at least it's possible to solder wires to them. Regards Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, tractor_37260 said: Hi Dave If you post the eBay link for them, I'll have a look......... 0603 SMD's could also be used, but are a pretty tight fit, but at least it's possible to solder wires to them. Regards Ken https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T0402-T0603WM-1206-Pre-soldered-micro-litz-wired-leads-SMD-Led-Mutil-color-Lots/163819118849?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2624616101:m:mXd7dG65Aa4rvYsY4COh_yQ&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qXB7R0YSWeT7odKzHInjrXbqeehfe9O02Qxj4OJZRFCfSx4y5Rgvb1KTPHQ%2FoAqt5gzXQDDw5VUkIm%2F9zS4b09utJSnGkSRfVkfSbkYeapAbhjmRb%2BgOzMmkx8BxhAWl7gQgXeyBBPsavkvcgFF63wC7D4xoN%2FmSF5%2B1rDAZZe1W9in5Ms947NMc0TLOAvNCw2QfzA2PSAOdPpJVgvLuTQyIR1ImUhDdNUaVBg3RD3W6f3IYaxuHQjZNOmH6ujfEEcRzsusH48dCCJMgg1emJBqHmSRj7TdIi0JvlNqn6yNmzLW2PWxdglR07GodgySHqA5c3%2Bw3eVCh9G%2FykWQjj70VPIHxec4QH6LxoIpo1SFZvEYwauruygN432cqiHB025og10VBZGQewee%2Fl6mCUWLGnrBZ85BEKENchbEWcj3oUYwfq4NCeGV7KNQjmdb0CraH9nZZZotciO8yq9onqYkUb2eQsar8V1hSndAmNnQ3JLbQ7Q00fE5Vtz7mhldUwamL45kadGM0QJpANOfNNRUn4uoLGJAeA5G%2F7kPXbp1FrQJ6rrzUoDpMhOFNfnEYvTeik5seYH6ATHwchDrhxZ0UePcflnzdw2AwFRqlbYc1zSXk3uDE9ZPdrbCAFfptBMhdv7bPxn3dbebaH7CLH3zrzfqtBlqDPXpP5Mtvjqbc5ZKOXmI58FBC086gFJNxzzQEBlFzjoDxqRLbpvHVk5P3hIYLTC4QSXe1kn8IuqYvQ%3D%3D&checksum=1638191188495a8bc9108bb344a98a48ecdf1b6f235a That's just the first one that popped up when i searched , there are many sellers selling them in various colours , they do 0603s as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 25/02/2020 at 07:22, young37215 said: Hi Ken Impressive work, the results look first class. Do you, or anyone else for that matter, have any suggestions on the bracketed lights that Inverness based locos received such as the one on 37017 below? Apart from your work above, the best that I have seen are the lights Lee Edmondson supplies and fits but these do'nt appear to have a bracket. Rob Hi Rob The brackets allowed the lamps to be mounted/adjusted, but on a model would be awkward to make and would not really be noticeable especially at normal viewing distance with the lamp ON. I just fitted the lamps directly to the noses on 37262/263, - 262 is still work in progress - hence the masking tape - the glazing just refused to come out ! argh.......... HTH Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, sulzer71 said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T0402-T0603WM-1206-Pre-soldered-micro-litz-wired-leads-SMD-Led-Mutil-color-Lots/163819118849?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2624616101:m:mXd7dG65Aa4rvYsY4COh_yQ&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qXB7R0YSWeT7odKzHInjrXbqeehfe9O02Qxj4OJZRFCfSx4y5Rgvb1KTPHQ%2FoAqt5gzXQDDw5VUkIm%2F9zS4b09utJSnGkSRfVkfSbkYeapAbhjmRb%2BgOzMmkx8BxhAWl7gQgXeyBBPsavkvcgFF63wC7D4xoN%2FmSF5%2B1rDAZZe1W9in5Ms947NMc0TLOAvNCw2QfzA2PSAOdPpJVgvLuTQyIR1ImUhDdNUaVBg3RD3W6f3IYaxuHQjZNOmH6ujfEEcRzsusH48dCCJMgg1emJBqHmSRj7TdIi0JvlNqn6yNmzLW2PWxdglR07GodgySHqA5c3%2Bw3eVCh9G%2FykWQjj70VPIHxec4QH6LxoIpo1SFZvEYwauruygN432cqiHB025og10VBZGQewee%2Fl6mCUWLGnrBZ85BEKENchbEWcj3oUYwfq4NCeGV7KNQjmdb0CraH9nZZZotciO8yq9onqYkUb2eQsar8V1hSndAmNnQ3JLbQ7Q00fE5Vtz7mhldUwamL45kadGM0QJpANOfNNRUn4uoLGJAeA5G%2F7kPXbp1FrQJ6rrzUoDpMhOFNfnEYvTeik5seYH6ATHwchDrhxZ0UePcflnzdw2AwFRqlbYc1zSXk3uDE9ZPdrbCAFfptBMhdv7bPxn3dbebaH7CLH3zrzfqtBlqDPXpP5Mtvjqbc5ZKOXmI58FBC086gFJNxzzQEBlFzjoDxqRLbpvHVk5P3hIYLTC4QSXe1kn8IuqYvQ%3D%3D&checksum=1638191188495a8bc9108bb344a98a48ecdf1b6f235a That's just the first one that popped up when i searched , there are many sellers selling them in various colours , they do 0603s as well These might do ?, the problem being getting it all to fit in the lamp housings, the finer the wires the easier it will be regardless if 0402 or 0603 LED's are used. Ideally LED's pre-wired with very fine copper enamelled magnet wire are the easiest to use. As for the voltage/current etc, most led's can be used, Warm White LED's tend to be very bright, so a suitable value resistor must be used to both protect them and reduce their brightness to acceptable levels. Standard White Led's are too Ice "blue-ish" in light output (like Xenon's) and not suitable to represent early tungsten/halogen bulb fitted lamps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, tractor_37260 said: These might do ?, the problem being getting it all to fit in the lamp housings, the finer the wires the easier it will be regardless if 0402 or 0603 LED's are used. Ideally LED's pre-wired with very fine copper enamelled magnet wire are the easiest to use. As for the voltage/current etc, most led's can be used, Warm White LED's tend to be very bright, so a suitable value resistor must be used to both protect them and reduce their brightness to acceptable levels. Standard White Led's are too Ice "blue-ish" in light output (like Xenon's) and not suitable to represent early tungsten/halogen bulb fitted lamps. Sounds like i would be better off leaving it to someone that knows what they are doing Ken lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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