Bryn Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Recently I've taken up drawing my own etches and have been playing about in AutoCAD. Firstly, I've been doing layout bits (as can be seen on that thread) and now I'm designing my first wagon kit. The GWR designed Herring. Prototype pictures below; The more modern BR built examples 1/582 - http://paulbartlett....o.com/brherring The original GWR build 1575 - http://paulbartlett.....com/gwrherring This kit has been on and off the back burner for the last two years. You can read back through the development of this design on the old RMWeb thread here: http://www.rmweb.co....php?f=8&t=42589 Currently I am on the 4th test etch, which is shown below. May I please end this post with a request for any information people may have about these wagons. Especially underframe/brake photographs. Many thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Are we allowed to dibble and drool yet Bryn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 This hopper http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=2061 is reportedly for sale from the NYMR, what has a 1893 NER coke hopper got to do with GWR design Herrings I hear you ask?? Well over on National Preservation forum, there is the suggestion that this is an industrial rebuild from a GWR P6 or P7 hopper. I've no idea if that's true, and the wagon register photo isn't very good, but I can't see anything in it to disprove that theory, so does this make it the only GWR hopper in preservation? http://railways.national-preservation.com/heritage-rolling-stock/11670-rolling-stock-sale-11.html Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Interesting though the P22 is a bit different from a P6/7/N26 as the hopper bottom is on the centreline with two doors opening through operating gear on both sides. The earlier hoppers featured only one door on one side and also had the bottom of the hopper offset to one side by 5 inches. All of the early hoppers have GA drawings available from the NRM in the OPC microfiche collection. Sadly only the diagram book image of the P22 is included. The correct drawings of a P22 may come to light in the Met Cam collection or the main Swindon C&W archive at the NRM when they are catalogued and available to view. The operating mechanism on that hopper may have been useful to see if still in place but im guessing it will have been removed when lever operated brake gear was fitted. The riveted hoppers had a Dean Churchward type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2011 If you made it in a proper scale Bryn, well who knows what might happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 If you made it in a proper scale Bryn, well who knows what might happen. 1:152 is a proper scale. Are you going to tell us what might happen, or do you not know either? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2011 I might build one, my peepers ain't up to your proper scale, I can't build jewellery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 I might build one, my peepers ain't up to your proper scale, I can't build jewellery Sorry, I don't do Hornby tin plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 A concerned member had reported the above posts feeling that there was tension and abuse. I am happy to advise innocent bystanders that the above two gentlemen are permitted to abuse each other on here; as they do in real life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 8, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2012 Bryn, This is something I really wanted to get into but have no background for this. Using the CAD shouldn't be a problem but I have a few quick question, if I could be so bold. Which company did you get your etches made? How much per etch? (Minimum quantity?) On your CAD view, obviously the Black is Un-etched and I take it that the Blue and Red areas are "slightly" etched. Can you specify how deep these etches are made? Many Thanks and a Great looking wagon. Kev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 First off a big thanks to Jon and Craig! I honestly thought all had been scraped long ago, lets hope it makes it into preservation. Kev, I use PPD Ltd. All your question should be answered on their website http://www.ppdltd.com/web_site_3/page_1_intro.html Sorry for those who got concerned about the above banter, it's all in good spirit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 8, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2012 Thanks Bryn that has answered everything so far - and more. This has given me the confidence to have a go myself. Now all I need to do is find time to fit in another project! Kev. (PS. I genuinely did not know whot scale that wagon was made in - I just assuemed OO. A real credit to you sir!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 Glad it was of use to you, they are a great company to deal with and the results are very crisp (no connection, satisfied customer). Thank you for the kind words about the Herring, it's quite easy to draw the etch, but a whole different matter to assemble the damn thing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 8, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2012 A concerned member had reported the above posts feeling that there was tension and abuse. I am happy to advise innocent bystanders that the above two gentlemen are permitted to abuse each other on here; as they do in real life. Especially in the Sheffield Midland No1 tap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 RE the hopper on the NYMR; might this have been one of the ones used for transporting coking coal from South Yorkshire to the GWR gasworks at Swindon, rather than a ballast hopper? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hi all Anyone wanting a 4mm Herring there is a kit of the P22 under development from Cambrian kits. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rhubarb Loop Posted December 27, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2013 How's this progressing Bryn, any updates?! Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted December 29, 2013 Author Share Posted December 29, 2013 Pretty much finished. Samples are being test built as we speak. Slow progress due to recent commitments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rhubarb Loop Posted December 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 30, 2013 Pretty much finished. Samples are being test built as we speak. Slow progress due to recent commitments. Looks great Bryn, thanks for the update! Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 RE the hopper on the NYMR; might this have been one of the ones used for transporting coking coal from South Yorkshire to the GWR gasworks at Swindon, rather than a ballast hopper? This one is the last one of three that came out of Rountrees and is now at Cottesmore where the plan is to remove the extension that was added when used for coal as an "internal user". Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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