Tim V Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Information on the RODs in GW use is scant. Checked http://railphotoprints.uk/p176522356 inconclusive. I do have a picture in my collection showing the toolbox that way round, can't display it here due to copyright. Figure 292 in "A Pictorial Record of Great Western Engines" shows it this way round. All I can say is that the drawing was measured from an extant tender. Perhaps you could mould the toolboxes as separate items? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted May 25, 2017 Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 Further progress. I am now focussing on the ROD tender with perhaps GC versions later. The fancy GA drawing I have (from the books on GC locomotives) does not seem to match any tender I could find a photo of! It has the footplate widening from 8'3" to 8'9" at the front, and side raves that extend further forward, but with a standard width tank and not self-trimming. So I have taken some dimensions for the side profile from a combination of the Bachmann model and a drawing in RM. Hardly good practice, but it does seem to look about right. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted May 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) The GA in Eddie Johnson's book looks like the type built for the larger boilered 4-6-0s. If the end views correspond with the side and top elevations then the drawing is from the Beyer-Peacock archive at the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester. The date on the end views means I'd put my money on the drawing being for the BP batch of B7s LNER no's. 5031-5035. Simon Edited May 26, 2017 by 65179 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 The GA in Eddie Johnson's book looks like the type built for the larger boilered 4-6-0s. If the end views correspond with the side and top elevations then the drawing is from the Beyer-Peacock archive at the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester. The date on the end views means I'd put my money on the drawing being for the BP batch of B7s LNER no's. 5031-5035. Simon I suppose I should have read the text in the book more carefully. It tells me that this is precisely correct, the drawings are of the B-P built tenders. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted May 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 26, 2017 I suppose I should have read the text in the book more carefully. It tells me that this is precisely correct, the drawings are of the B-P built tenders. Chris Well as I didn't actually read that text either, you're not alone! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Well as I didn't actually read that text either, you're not alone! A wise man doesn't believe the text in the book (especially if it is a caption) until he has verified it for himself by checking photographs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) A wise man doesn't believe the text in the book (especially if it is a caption) until he has verified it for himself by checking photographs. Most of the photos are really too indistinct to tell, particularly in regard to the interior. However the extended side raves look to match, and the footplate widening can also just be discerned in a couple. And they are Beyer-Peacock works drawings which narrows it down significantly. Chris Edited May 27, 2017 by Chris Higgs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 I've just noticed Shapeways have restructured their FUD and Extreme Fine Detail pricing, which has made the end price for single items cheaper. Which is a nice bonus. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) I decided to plunge in and do the later GWR Collett tender myself. Although the final target is the 3000 gallon version, the picture is of the 3500 gallon, for which I have a drawing. I can lower the sides later to model the other type. I haven't found anything more than an outline drawing of the 3000, so will need to rely on the Bachmann 4mm model, or going to see the real thing (as running behind 3205). Doing the curved rear corners has stretched Openscad to its limits. This tender, along with the Dean 3000 gallon version being done by Nick Birkett-Smith and the ROD tender will provide three different tenders that can all accurately be run behind the Peco 2251 loco bodies that a lot of us picked up a few years ago. Chris Edited May 31, 2017 by Chris Higgs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) I have finalised the 3D artwork for the Collett tender bodies now. 3000 gallon 3500 gallon Chris Edited June 24, 2017 by Chris Higgs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentin Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Also received are new and simplifed motor mounts for coreless motors (7mm, 8mm and 10mm diameter). You simply glue the motor onto the mount. You can cut the mounting pins off if you want to just glue the mount to your frame spacers Height adjustments if needed made by inserting plastikard (or similar) shims under the base. Chris motor mounts.pngmotor mounts 2.png Hi Chris, Any news about the availability of these mounts in the Shop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 Perhaps of more general application than the smaller Collett tenders will be the Hawksworth smooth sided 4000 gallon to put behind Halls and Castles (or even a Grange if you choose the right one). A rarer bird - the unique Collett 8-wheeled tender Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2017 Perhaps of more general application than the smaller Collett tenders will be the Hawksworth smooth sided 4000 gallon to put behind Halls and Castles (or even a Grange if you choose the right one). gwr hawksworth 4000.png gwr hawksworth 4000 chassis.png A rarer bird - the unique Collett 8-wheeled tender gwr collett 4000 8w.png Chris Excellent news, I had resigned myself to having to scratchbuild a Hawkswoth tender for Clifford Castle. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Copleston Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Excellent news, I had resigned myself to having to scratchbuild a Hawkswoth tender for Clifford Castle. Jerry I thought the 'tender' for Clifford Towers Castle was your work shed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 Excellent news, I had resigned myself to having to scratchbuild a Hawkswoth tender for Clifford Castle. Jerry Or just model it later in life when it got a Collett tender? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=GWR+5098+CLifford+Castle&tbm=isch&imgil=xmL0-jKUHVIcXM%253A%253BUI8FjZv8u450cM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.flickr.com%25252Fphotos%25252Fgricerman%25252F26510684454&source=iu&pf=m&fir=xmL0-jKUHVIcXM%253A%252CUI8FjZv8u450cM%252C_&usg=__mIUrafzaUf9v8xKmBNPuvTG0H5E%3D&biw=1071&bih=446&dpr=1.2&ved=0ahUKEwjbzfb12vzUAhWsJMAKHbE6B00QyjcILQ&ei=22ViWZv0MqzJgAax9ZzoBA#imgrc=xmL0-jKUHVIcXM: Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2017 Or just model it later in life when it got a Collett tender? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=GWR+5098+CLifford+Castle&tbm=isch&imgil=xmL0-jKUHVIcXM%3A%3BUI8FjZv8u450cM%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fphotos%252Fgricerman%252F26510684454&source=iu&pf=m&fir=xmL0-jKUHVIcXM%3A%2CUI8FjZv8u450cM%2C_&usg=__mIUrafzaUf9v8xKmBNPuvTG0H5E%3D&biw=1071&bih=446&dpr=1.2&ved=0ahUKEwjbzfb12vzUAhWsJMAKHbE6B00QyjcILQ&ei=22ViWZv0MqzJgAax9ZzoBA#imgrc=xmL0-jKUHVIcXM: Chris I did consider that but I think it received that ugly double chimney at the same time. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Excellent news, I had resigned myself to having to scratchbuild a Hawkswoth tender for Clifford Castle. Jerry So, Clifford Castle will have a tender behind. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 I did consider that but I think it received that ugly double chimney at the same time. Jerry The GWR changed tenders often, sometimes twice a year. Some nerdone out there will probably know the complete sequence of tenders that ran with 5098. And the date the double chimney was fitted. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2017 The GWR changed tenders often, sometimes twice a year. Some nerdone out there will probably know the complete sequence of tenders that ran with 5098. And the date the double chimney was fitted. Chris You're almost certainly right Chris and whilst I prefer the Collett tender I quite fancy the Hawksworth one because it will be different to everybody else's. I have a couple of Castles, the other one I would like to backdate to original condition with the small tender which I think was their most attractive condition. It will if course mean that neither of mine use the Farish tender! Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Copleston Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 The GWR changed tenders often, sometimes twice a year. Some nerdone out there will probably know the complete sequence of tenders that ran with 5098. And the date the double chimney was fitted. Chris Achem! Re. Castle tenders, see 'Locomotives of the Great Western Railway' Part 8: Modern Passenger Classes, page.H16, top right paragraph! But you only have a short modelling timeframe Jerry, as 5046 ‘Clifford Castle’ (built April 1936), was renamed ‘Earl Cawdor’ just 15 months later in August 1937... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 Achem! Re. Castle tenders, see 'Locomotives of the Great Western Railway' Part 8: Modern Passenger Classes, page.H16, top right paragraph! But you only have a short modelling timeframe Jerry, as 5046 ‘Clifford Castle’ (built April 1936), was renamed ‘Earl Cawdor’ just 15 months later in August 1937... The name was reused twice, next on 5071 that became 'Spitfire', and finally on 5098. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GWR_4073_Class_locomotives Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) Achem! Re. Castle tenders, see 'Locomotives of the Great Western Railway' Part 8: Modern Passenger Classes, page.H16, top right paragraph! But you only have a short modelling timeframe Jerry, as 5046 ‘Clifford Castle’ (built April 1936), was renamed ‘Earl Cawdor’ just 15 months later in August 1937... 5046 was just the first go at Clifford Castle. 5071 was named Clifford Castle when built in June 38 before being renamed Spitfire in September 1940.5098 was built in May 1946 and did keep the Clifford name until withdraw, in 1964. I've never seen a picture of either 5046 or 5071 before they were renamed but if anyone has ......! Jerry Edit to say that Chris beet me to it! Edited July 9, 2017 by queensquare 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Copleston Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 5046 was just the first go at Clifford Castle. 5071 was named Clifford Castle when built in June 38 before being renamed Spitfire in September 1940. 5098 was built in May 1946 and did keep the Clifford name until withdraw, in 1964. I've never seen a picture of either 5046 or 5071 before they were renamed but if anyone has ......! Jerry Edit to say that Chris beet me to it! Whoops! I thought there was something wrong with my rationale. Oh dear. Thanks Jerry. Edited July 9, 2017 by Phil Copleston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oily Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) Achem! Re. Castle tenders, see 'Locomotives of the Great Western Railway' Part 8: Modern Passenger Classes, page.H16, top right paragraph! It's on the left in my copy! Edited July 10, 2017 by oily Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Phil there would have been a problem with finding a Hawksworth Tender in 1936/7. Still Jerry is lucky to have three choices of Clifford Castle. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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