Xerces Fobe2 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Having purchased my HO Ratio Oerlikon EMU from a former member of RMweb I have toyed with the idea of fitting it with DCC chip in order that it can make guest appearance on my Croxley WRD layout, Well at long last I got my finger out and did it using a Bachmann 2 function chip. At nearly 60 years old is this the oldest model so far to have been DCC chipped? The roof section above the electrical compartment in the Motor Coach is removable so this made it easier to fit a DCC chip Here is the unit ready to make an appearance at the Mid Essex Show on 17th September Work is continuing on my 4mm Oerlikon EMU as well Xerces Fobe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 I have been informed by Paul; Colbeck of Anbrico Felixjaz that this Oerlikon is not an Anbrico model. Has anybody got any ideas on its parentage? The model is wooden bodied with a metal roof and underframes and appears to be hand painted I understand that there was another similar model on eBay a couple of years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The most commonly found wooden bodied 00 models were by Ratio, CCW, and Kings Cross Precision. Models were body only - the other parts had to be supplied separately. Roofs of all makes were wooden on all those I have seen - although I expect other parts were substituted. Typical characteristics - although I expect there were exceptions: - Ratio models all wood bodies with body side windows stamped or cut out including the ends but the buffer beam was a stamped L shaped metal with the lower part of the L the buffer beam and the larger part of the L used to secure it to the coach floor. I think it had two screw holes. Where a motor bogie was intended to be installed, a U shaped bit of stamped metal was supplied that would fit over a motor bogie so that it could be secured at the top in a similar manner to Tri-ang motor bogies. - CCW Early models had the body side below the windows a separate piece then the body side pieces between the windows had to fixed on to the lower body side and then the top of the body with a strip of wood above the windows. The ends were also wood. Later CCW models were similar to Ratio with the bodies stamped or cut out but ends as metal castings. - Kings Cross Precision very similar to Ratio but maybe without the metal L shaped buffer beam - not seen enough to generalise Generally speaking, the Ratio and Kings Cross Precision models were more refined in their definition using a finer grade wood and look better. Kings Cross Precision models are less common than CCW and Ratio. Body sides of most or all of these vehicles consisted of three laminations of ply below the windows and the middle part of sandwich omitted from window level so the glazing could be tucked between the first and third lamination. At least both Ratio and CCW offered substantial ranges of vehicles including a wide range of multiple units - particularly Southern types. Ratio also produced a Derby Lightweight DMU. CCW made a Brighton Belle. At least Ratio and CCW also offered 0 gauge kits very similar to their 00 in construction. I am not sure whether there is enough here to identify your model, but it may have been scratch built. However, there were probably also other manufacturers of wooden coach kits and I cannot find a suitable match in Ratio and CCW catalogues from the 1950s but some models that existed are not listed. All Anbrico vehicles I have seen are made mainly of brass or steel construction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 The most commonly found wooden bodied 00 models were by Ratio, CCW, and Kings Cross Precision. Models were body only - the other parts had to be supplied separately. Roofs of all makes were wooden on all those I have seen - although I expect other parts were substituted. Typical characteristics - although I expect there were exceptions: - Ratio models all wood bodies with body side windows stamped or cut out including the ends but the buffer beam was a stamped L shaped metal with the lower part of the L the buffer beam and the larger part of the L used to secure it to the coach floor. I think it had two screw holes. Where a motor bogie was intended to be installed, a U shaped bit of stamped metal was supplied that would fit over a motor bogie so that it could be secured at the top in a similar manner to Tri-ang motor bogies. - CCW Early models had the body side below the windows a separate piece then the body side pieces between the windows had to fixed on to the lower body side and then the top of the body with a strip of wood above the windows. The ends were also wood. Later CCW models were similar to Ratio with the bodies stamped or cut out but ends as metal castings. - Kings Cross Precision very similar to Ratio but maybe without the metal L shaped buffer beam - not seen enough to generalise Generally speaking, the Ratio and Kings Cross Precision models were more refined in their definition using a finer grade wood and look better. Kings Cross Precision models are less common than CCW and Ratio. Body sides of most or all of these vehicles consisted of three laminations of ply below the windows and the middle part of sandwich omitted from window level so the glazing could be tucked between the first and third lamination. At least both Ratio and CCW offered substantial ranges of vehicles including a wide range of multiple units - particularly Southern types. Ratio also produced a Derby Lightweight DMU. CCW made a Brighton Belle. At least Ratio and CCW also offered 0 gauge kits very similar to their 00 in construction. I am not sure whether there is enough here to identify your model, but it may have been scratch built. However, there were probably also other manufacturers of wooden coach kits and I cannot find a suitable match in Ratio and CCW catalogues from the 1950s but some models that existed are not listed. All Anbrico vehicles I have seen are made mainly of brass or steel construction. Thanks for your detailed response which is very helpful Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstanton Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Thanks for your detailed response which is very helpful Nigel I actually have an unbuilt example in the original Ratio box; be quite happy to make details avalable! I'm not sure whether to build or preserve it! I am looking to build the excellent London Road Models production; I am thinking that the Phoenix SAB5 bogie may be suitable? Peter tanton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 I actually have an unbuilt example in the original Ratio box; be quite happy to make details avalable! I'm not sure whether to build or preserve it! I am looking to build the excellent London Road Models production; I am thinking that the Phoenix SAB5 bogie may be suitable? Peter tanton Hi Peter, Thank you for answering my question - is the kit a 2 or 3 car? I used a Tenshodo motor bogie to power mine. I am building a London Road models kit too however I have not worked on it for a whille you are aware that it is not a complete kit? As for your Ratio kit I would buils it as it least you can run it amd enjoy it. Mine went down well at the recent LT acton Museum Show - hopefully some pictures may well apppear in Underground News in the near future. XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstanton Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Hi Peter, Thank you for answering my question - is the kit a 2 or 3 car? I used a Tenshodo motor bogie to power mine. I am building a London Road models kit too however I have not worked on it for a whille you are aware that it is not a complete kit? As for your Ratio kit I would buils it as it least you can run it amd enjoy it. Mine went down well at the recent LT acton Museum Show - hopefully some pictures may well apppear in Underground News in the near future. XF Hello Nigel; I hadn't noticed it was your goodself! We corresponded over the GEC sets; Chris Leigh tells me W and T have the moulds for the ands s. My Ratio kit is a two car; I'll photograph it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Hello Nigel; I hadn't noticed it was your goodself! We corresponded over the GEC sets; Chris Leigh tells me W and T have the moulds for the ands s. My Ratio kit is a two car; I'll photograph it. Hi Peter I did not realise it was you either - Do you know who W and T are as I would like to get some more ends GEC made? Best regards, Nigel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstanton Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Nigel; I spoke to W & T some time ago having received the informatiuon that they had the moulds for the ends. They did say they would consider a short run and I wondered about contacting the LMS Society as an extra customer? Checking yeterday on the internet they now seem to have been subsumed into Scalelink so I'll ring them tomorrow and what chaaces there might be of a production run. I guess Vince Worthington could use some for his Euston model? All the best Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 Peter I am happy to chip in to finance a limited run of cab fronts if that helps? Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 The most commonly found wooden bodied 00 models were by Ratio, CCW, and Kings Cross Precision. Models were body only - the other parts had to be supplied separately. Roofs of all makes were wooden on all those I have seen - although I expect other parts were substituted. Typical characteristics - although I expect there were exceptions: - Ratio models all wood bodies with body side windows stamped or cut out including the ends but the buffer beam was a stamped L shaped metal with the lower part of the L the buffer beam and the larger part of the L used to secure it to the coach floor. I think it had two screw holes. Where a motor bogie was intended to be installed, a U shaped bit of stamped metal was supplied that would fit over a motor bogie so that it could be secured at the top in a similar manner to Tri-ang motor bogies. - CCW Early models had the body side below the windows a separate piece then the body side pieces between the windows had to fixed on to the lower body side and then the top of the body with a strip of wood above the windows. The ends were also wood. Later CCW models were similar to Ratio with the bodies stamped or cut out but ends as metal castings. - Kings Cross Precision very similar to Ratio but maybe without the metal L shaped buffer beam - not seen enough to generalise Generally speaking, the Ratio and Kings Cross Precision models were more refined in their definition using a finer grade wood and look better. Kings Cross Precision models are less common than CCW and Ratio. Body sides of most or all of these vehicles consisted of three laminations of ply below the windows and the middle part of sandwich omitted from window level so the glazing could be tucked between the first and third lamination. At least both Ratio and CCW offered substantial ranges of vehicles including a wide range of multiple units - particularly Southern types. Ratio also produced a Derby Lightweight DMU. CCW made a Brighton Belle. At least Ratio and CCW also offered 0 gauge kits very similar to their 00 in construction. I am not sure whether there is enough here to identify your model, but it may have been scratch built. However, there were probably also other manufacturers of wooden coach kits and I cannot find a suitable match in Ratio and CCW catalogues from the 1950s but some models that existed are not listed. All Anbrico vehicles I have seen are made mainly of brass or steel construction. I have a boxed set of 00 gauge whitemetal SR coach bogies, I thought (but could be wrong) from adds in the model press they sold underframe details as well in 4mm scale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstanton Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 I have a boxed set of 00 gauge whitemetal SR coach bogies, I thought (but could be wrong) from adds in the model press they sold underframe details as well in 4mm scale Regarding the GEC stock I have phoned Scalelink and Bob Wyatt is rooting around for the Chris Leigh mould masters as I type this! He tells me minimum run of 15 is reasonably feasible. I will let you know when I ring him later. Regards peter Stanton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 Regarding the GEC stock I have phoned Scalelink and Bob Wyatt is rooting around for the Chris Leigh mould masters as I type this! He tells me minimum run of 15 is reasonably feasible. I will let you know when I ring him later. Regards peter Stanton Thanks Peter I think I will be dusting off my 4mm Farish suburbans in the not to distant future then! Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Hi, By GEC stock do you mean the 1927 LMS built electrics, D1727 and D1728? If so, I'll happily buy sufficient to make up four driving coaches (2 x motor brake third and 2 x driving trailor third) as these were identical to the 1927 built Liverpool-Southport-Ormskirk compartment stock. Stan Thanks Peter I think I will be dusting off my 4mm Farish suburbans in the not to distant future then! Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 Hi, By GEC stock do you mean the 1927 LMS built electrics, D1727 and D1728? If so, I'll happily buy sufficient to make up four driving coaches (2 x motor brake third and 2 x driving trailor third) as these were identical to the 1927 built Liverpool-Southport-Ormskirk compartment stock. Stan My aplologies Stan I must have missed your post yes I do mean 1927 LMS built electrics - I assume that D1727 and D1728 are the works build numbers; here is one of the conversions XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 My aplologies Stan I must have missed your post yes I do mean 1927 LMS built electrics - I assume that D1727 and D1728 are the works build numbers; here is one of the conversions XF Hi - and thanks for the reply . . . Can you advise whether I can obtain the 4 ends that I mentioned in my earlier message? ATB, Stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted June 22, 2012 Author Share Posted June 22, 2012 Hi - and thanks for the reply . . . Can you advise whether I can obtain the 4 ends that I mentioned in my earlier message? ATB, Stan I have been trying to source these myself - No Nonsense Kits did manufacture some ends and Alistair was going to run some more off for me, however he unfortunately passed away soon after our conversation. I think it would not be to difficult to modify the end of a GF suburban - I will have a go and take some photos detailing the steps - however this will not be for another week or so! Kind regards XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Hi, I got in touch with Scale Link who replied that they were happy to do a run of ends, subject to agreement from Chris Leigh who made the original masters. I received Chris's positive response this morning and have forwarded it to Scale Link. If anyone else is interested in obtaining cast ends, please PM me or contact Scale Link asap. Stan I have been trying to source these myself - No Nonsense Kits did manufacture some ends and Alistair was going to run some more off for me, however he unfortunately passed away soon after our conversation. I think it would not be to difficult to modify the end of a GF suburban - I will have a go and take some photos detailing the steps - however this will not be for another week or so! Kind regards XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted July 11, 2012 Author Share Posted July 11, 2012 Hi Stan Great news - PM sent XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Hi Stan Great news - PM sent XF Nothing received as of this morning . . . Stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Nothing received as of this morning . . . Stan Hi Stan Great news - of possible I would like 5 sets (10 ends +doors)This is is for 2 LMS Luggage Cars and a couple of 3 cars + some for future projects ( M&ASJ set maybe!) Thanks again Regards, XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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